<![CDATA[Is it time to admit these guys arent as talented as we've been led to beleive?]]>especially defensively? we've seen these deficiencies that we've been led to believe were simply the result of growing pains within a new system...but i'm not buying it. They got beasted on both sides of the ball today against a team that is likely to be the last in it's division. The Jets will be competing with the Dolphins for last in that division. They're not a terrible team but not a team that should have manhandled the Browns. This is gonna be a long season.

Go bucks right?

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@canton-dawg said:

I think your right, Joe typically starts slow but as the season progresses so does his game.

Joe sitting most of camp w hammy did not help but you can't stop the same thing Jimmy Graham showed everyone. A taller receiver with a ball thrown high but catchable to taller WR Joe has no chance unless he is step for step. Those balls thrown to Marshall were well placed. Just hope for the day the FO here can move a 5th rounder to a player like Marshall. Its not because of QB play in NY but it is living in NY is why Marshall is there imo..

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@baconhound said:

Our strength of schedule is harder this year and talent on offense is less.

it's way too soon for either of these statements.

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@douche-nozzle said:

But at what point do you have to accept that a system, continuity, and stability might just be better than throwing the baby out with the bath water every year. It's plain and simple fact that starting over repeatedly will NOT work......period.

Oh at the coaching staff you're 100% right, and I am in no way suggesting we need to look elsewhere again in that respect. We see in Buffalo the last few years what Pettine is capable of given time. Obviously there were other people in Buffalo that helped draft/sign said players, but that's the kind of defense I want in Cleveland and I don't think we have the guys to do it.

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@tour2ma said:

Host the top-32, 2015 NYG Defense and post a total of 60 yards rushing... No Problem...

81. They were playing from behind so only had 22 attempts. Still, Randle got to 4 ypc omfortably. And NYG actually did have both tackles break out last year.

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@baconhound said:

I'm one of the biggest Haden critics but he was very good last year after the slow start. He is a physical corner that doesn't always get in the best positions but in the current NFL structure to be matched up against the #1 week in and week out isn't easy. I would not have given him that salary though.

I think your right, Joe typically starts slow but as the season progresses so does his game.

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@mike-h said:

Haden has been average, bad, or terrible, and it's completely ignored because of a couple good games. I think it's worth addressing. When you pay a guy as much as team has, you're not supposed to see that type of performance. Patrick Peterson was another guy like Haden who got a big pay day and has been abused a lot. It's strange that sometimes hype creates reality. I do think Joe is a good player who had a bad game, but his bad games are too frequent in my opinion.

Justin Gilbert could get better, but it's really weird how he's not getting better. That pick-6 vs. Luck was really encouraging last season. Maybe he can't get out of his own head, it sounds like he has some psychological stuff going on.

I'm one of the biggest Haden critics but he was very good last year after the slow start. He is a physical corner that doesn't always get in the best positions but in the current NFL structure to be matched up against the #1 week in and week out isn't easy. I would not have given him that salary though.

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@clevfan4life said:

no instant grat dude, but c'mon...last year we were competitive, at least at the beginning of the season. THat is "offensively" of course. And we were told that just wait the defense will come along. Well they won't, nothing has been fixed from last year. I see what Pettine's stamp has left in Buffalo and frankly i'd be willing to get rid of any guys who Pettine doesn't feel can properly run his Defense. Which obviously they can't. I'm more willing to firesale a lot of guys than I am to get a new coach in here and say "well now let's see what you can do with these guys". That's been done for years now. Bring in a coach and let him draft specifically for his fit for years.

Farmer may not be who we thought he was either. I hate saying that but that dude has made some very questionable decisions lately. And frankly his drafting isn't panning out either. He refuses to acknowledge that guys that catch balls, especially poorly thrown ones, are incredibly valuable in this league.

Cleve I said it last year and I'll say it this year, for the most part we beat bums last year. Our strength of schedule is harder this year and talent on offense is less.

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@mike-h said:

is Joe Haden still a Top 5 corner?

He never was, unless you are talking about his salary

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Justin Gilbert could get better, but it's really weird how he's not getting better. That pick-6 vs. Luck was really encouraging last season. Maybe he can't get out of his own head, it sounds like he has some psychological stuff going on.

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@mike-h said:

is Joe Haden still a Top 5 corner?

Mike, that doesn't bother me as much as the question. Is Justin Gilbert anything better than an Arena League corner?

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@wargograw said:

I'm sick of making excuses for the OL. We're trying to have one of the best in the league. Like no worse than top 3. That's the goal, right? Well who does everyone think is #1? The Cowboys. All their OL did last year was go into Seattle and have a 100 yard rusher. Go into St. Louis and have a 100 yard rusher. Go to Arizona and have their RB over 4 ypc and 70 yards. 100 yard rusher against the Lions. No problem.

Host the top-32, 2015 NYG Defense and post a total of 60 yards rushing... No Problem...

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@gftchris said:

Yes, Justin Tuck is in Oakland since last year.

Does oak run a 4-3 or 3-4? Tuck is a proto 4-3 DE. I don't think in a 3-4 Aldon is going to benefit from playing outside Tuck like he did with Smith. Justin could take two lineman and move them out of the way for Aldon. Tuck isn't going to do that.

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@clevfan4life said:

no Aldon played alongside Smith in SF. Is Tuck in Oakland now or something? I'm just saying that a lot of Aldons success came from looping and stunting around one of the best 5-Techs in years. And yeah Justin benefitted from Aldon too on question.

Yes, Justin Tuck is in Oakland since last year.

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@gftchris said:

Justin Tuck? Not Justin Smith? Or am I missing something?

no Aldon played alongside Smith in SF. Is Tuck in Oakland now or something? I'm just saying that a lot of Aldons success came from looping and stunting around one of the best 5-Techs in years. And yeah Justin benefitted from Aldon too on question.

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@clevfan4life said:

Tuck?

Justin Tuck? Not Justin Smith? Or am I missing something?

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@gftchris said:

Tuck?

Tuck?

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@clevfan4life said:

His talent slipped, and in any case it's obvious now how much he benefitted from lining up next to Justin Smith. Is Justin Smith or anyone like him on on this team?

Tuck?

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@mudfly said:

Im thinkin so......was already suspended in 2013 for 5 games due to a dui...then missed 9 games last season for substance abuse......and NOW, has been charged(again) with DUI, plus hit and run.....

He's gone....

right, what on earth would be the point of signing defensive josh Gordon?

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@wargograw said:

Should have signed Aldon Smith. Oakland quietly did and as far as I can tell has received no PR fallout whatever.

His talent slipped, and in any case it's obvious now how much he benefitted from lining up next to Justin Smith. Is Justin Smith or anyone like him on on this team?

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@mudfly said:

Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...

Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....

Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......

no instant grat dude, but c'mon...last year we were competitive, at least at the beginning of the season. THat is "offensively" of course. And we were told that just wait the defense will come along. Well they won't, nothing has been fixed from last year. I see what Pettine's stamp has left in Buffalo and frankly i'd be willing to get rid of any guys who Pettine doesn't feel can properly run his Defense. Which obviously they can't. I'm more willing to firesale a lot of guys than I am to get a new coach in here and say "well now let's see what you can do with these guys". That's been done for years now. Bring in a coach and let him draft specifically for his fit for years.

Farmer may not be who we thought he was either. I hate saying that but that dude has made some very questionable decisions lately. And frankly his drafting isn't panning out either. He refuses to acknowledge that guys that catch balls, especially poorly thrown ones, are incredibly valuable in this league.

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