@diehardbrownsfan said:

Yea, LA/DC are awful. Although I have driven through NYC a time or two....I wouldn't consider driving around there as a permanent resident. I would take public transportation or if visiting possibly taxis.

But then there I would want to be picked up by the Cash Cab.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Retirees usually like to go to warmer weather....and yea....I am a lot closer to retirement age (Only 15 months...if I would ever retire at all)

I don't know if Houston/Dallas would at all be retirement places. Austin/SA could be....in fact, if my daughter stayed there permanently it wouldn't surprise me if my wife wanted to go down there.

But her sister lives there, and at this point she wants nothing to do with her...so that is a mark against ending up there.

@the-gipper said:

LA, NYC, DAL, HOU. I've lived in Tokyo/Yokohama, LA, NY, DC and the traffic alone is enough to make you nuts.

@the-gipper said:

A. Gotta pay the piper in some way. Bigger cities generally mean more opportunities.

B. Eh, whatever. If I wanted to live in a sauna, it better be for a damn good reason. Opportunity is that reason.

C. http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2015/06/forbes-ranks-houston-as-a-top-city-for-paycheck.html

It's different mindsets from people in different stages of life. To retire there, no. But to make my nut, sure.

@the-gipper said:

Austin has become Auful. Last time I went through there on I-35, it wasn't even rush hour and it was a parking lot. However, I did get off and go around to get over to 281?....and it became much smoother sailing.

There's 290 and 183 but they wouldn't be good alts to 35. But yes, 36 I'd absolutely brutal.

@tour2ma said:

Not sure where you are getting that info......I have checked several sources and Chicago still has about a half million more people than Houston

@wargograw said:

Austin has become Auful. Last time I went through there on I-35, it wasn't even rush hour and it was a parking lot. However, I did get off and go around to get over to 281?....and it became much smoother sailing.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

What do you consider "huge".

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Plus 1000 on that.....

Houston is average on traffic, it's just huge so it takes forever to get anywhere. Even in a "jam" you will still be moving 60+.

@wargograw said:

From my purely Tourist point of view, I like SA and Austin over the others. In fact, Dallas and Houston rank on the lower end of interesting cities to visit in the entire nation.

From a "I want to live there on a permanent basis" some things seem to be to be detractors:

A. For Austin and Houston it seems the traffic is just awful in both places. Not so much for SA...it is more tolerable. I don't know about Dallas, the couple of times I was there it was tolerable. That may depend on the time of day you go through there.

B. The humidity in Houston is supposedly suffocating. If I wanted to live in a sauna, New Orleans or S. Florida would be preferable.

C. From a "making money" point of view....I don't know....I will leave that up to you who live there.

From the standpoint of ranking a whole variety of other factors, you would probably have to look at some studies that have been done......but I don't know if even you can trust those....and here is why I say that:

I read this one article that tried to compare like 12 factors of what makes a place a good place to live. I can't remember them all, but they were things like: Congestion, cost of living, crime rate, sports team success, tax rates, employment rates, reasonable real estate values, access to health care,cultural amenities, education systems, commute times....and climate.

This study compared Cleveland to San Diego.

Cleveland came out better in 11 of the 12 categories.

You know who they gave the overall choice to? San Diego, simply because they had "better" winter weather....even though it was a slam dunk is Cleveland's favor of all their criteria.

I will however shortly be able to give some info on some other Texas cities. In November I will be in SA a few days, but I will also be traveling through Abilene, Wichita Falls, Amarillo, Lubbock, Odessa/Midland.

The best factor you have going for you with me on living in Texas?: My daughter likes living there. So you got that going for you.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Constantly insulting Mods plural- (which went on behind the scenes) was part of it.

If we let him back on, he'd be insufferable.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

@tour2ma said:

I cannot tell you how much I do not miss that....

I have one rule when it comes to beer ABM- Anything But Miller.

Also just became nation's third largest city passing Chicago.

Great restaurants, nightlife and culture... but its too damn big and the air is too damn brown.

@wargograw said:

What's the Ohio connection?

Houston is a city of many personalities. As preppy as Dallas. As blue collar as Cleveland. As thug as Atlanta. Most of my friends are graduating and getting jobs and I didn't know Houston was becoming a tech capital. Most of my friends are going down there for oil in some capacity or another.

Entire family is from Ohio.

I'm the only Southern boy.

Houston is a city of many personalities. As preppy as Dallas. As blue collar as Cleveland. As thug as Atlanta. Most of my friends are graduating and getting jobs and I didn't know Houston was becoming a tech capital. Most of my friends are going down there for oil in some capacity or another.

@wargograw said:

Yes it is booming and it is Texas' blue collar city, and I assume you're into that kind of thing as an Ohioan. I like Dallas the most but I'll take either over Austin (where I'm from and live) or SA.

Now for the Gipper rebuttal....

Nope, I'm from the South. Born and raised. That's why i even said anything to begin with.

Houston is on track to be the next Silicon Valley. It's a tech hotspot, full of entrepreneurs and crazy innovative startups. It's a millennial dream spot.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Yes it is booming and it is Texas' blue collar city, and I assume you're into that kind of thing as an Ohioan. I like Dallas the most but I'll take either over Austin (where I'm from and live) or SA.

Now for the Gipper rebuttal....

@hoorta said:

I don't understand banning him for life to be real. People have done much worse.

Zombo said:

See, it is gay.

@theolliec said:

Miller High Life in a champagne league.

I cannot tell you how much I do not miss that....

@hoorta said:

Being in general a condescending knowitall obnoxious a-hole. If you want to spew your vast football acumen and be abrasive about it, there's a Forum for that over on Scout.com called Pure Football.

We should let him come back and ban all the fans of our division rivals.