@mike-h said:

Not reading all that. You were wrong, like you always are. Hoyer sucks, really bad. Like really, really, really bad

@d-bone said:

He isn't worth trying to explain it to T, cause he's too arrogant and self centered to even begin to grasp it, and his glib response proves as much.

Yeah... I know...

I've regretted a few posts I've made here, but none more than the one where I said I did not have an issue with Mikey's ban being lifted. I knew he was insecure, but underestimated his immaturity.

Back to football talk, guys...

way too early in the season to cement anything in as being a finality.

@miktoxic said:

You know the drill Mik. The coaching staff won't admit it- but at least from the fan perspective, we have yet another full blown quarterback controversy on our hands. Just sayin' -you know what's going to happen in the media if McCown's first drive against the Jets was a mirage. That's way too small a sample size in my book to definitively say anything. I posted it elsewhere, if you're hanging your hat on that drive- well, I can posit Brandon Weeden miraculously turned into the second coming of John Elway after Romo got hurt. 149 qbr- man, he's the BOMB.

are we really questioning the coaching staff and calling for their heads week 3 into their second season?

c'mon man.

@gumby73 said:

Actually, (I think) that was TCPO saying we don't have Aaron Rodgers starting. That's true. The fact of the matter is the Browns have a 36 year old journeyman quarterback who had a good stretch of 5 games with one team in a 13 year career. So excuse me if my observation is Mike "Turtle Ball" Pettine feels this is the guy who will win him more games playing his preferred ground and pound style of football. If he looked better in preseason, and on his opening drive was enough to convince Pettine and Flip McCown deserves at least another shot as the starter- well, we'll see soon enough if they're making the right call.

Again- if the coaching staff feels Josh will win more games than Johnny RIGHT NOW- I'm fine with that- they had just better be correct in that assumption. The further question is- and the one that concerns me- Is just how much slack they're going to give Josh if he proceeds to prove to the fans, in the famous words of Denny Green- "he is who we thought he was" a career journeyman quarterback who really isn't very good. We've been down this road before with guys like Garcia, Dilfer, and Delhomme- and it hasn't turned out well. I don't have high hopes it's going to be different this time.

@darkside5 said:

Ha!....yep.....I think most of us have moved on from using JFF(confusing now).....

I would be amazed if he starts though....dont think Pett would blatantly lie....that would really shake any credibility he had with us and the media....

Plus....more elbow problems.....limited in practice this week....probably could rest that elbow another week or 2.....

@miktoxic said:

2 weeks later he died. what a bitch that was.

@mudfly said:

Hahahahaha Duh, I didn't even realize that, I meant Manziel.

GO BROWNS !!!

@darkside5 said:

JM?.....Well, cant be wrong there.....

GO BROWNS !!!

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Ha!...

Words from the guy who has spend a year insulting anyone and everyone who isnt named Johnny....

Have fun rooting against McCown tomorrow....(love how you're giving him a fair shake)

@gumby73 said:

Josh deserves a TRUE look at Game Day. Not Settling on a Starter QB, is just poison to this board all year period.

Of course he deserves a chance....the only poison on this board are the ones who dont even want him to get the chance he earned.....

@tour2ma said:

Watched it eat away at my grandpa (Dad's dad) for almost 6yrs, and can't imagine watching my Mom or Dad.

He isn't worth trying to explain it to T, cause he's too arrogant and self centered to even begin to grasp it, and his glib response proves as much. Hopefully mike h will crawl back into the hole he crawled out of, and that'll make 1 less douchebag on the forum, and lord knows we could stand a little herd thinnin' 'round here.

@mike-h said:

you've been wrong more times than not.

and you got shamed.......badly and you don't know it because you don't want to read or CAN'T.

now all should know why you were a dick before you got banned and are still a dick today.

go take your bleacher report and shove it up your ass and light it on fire you rum-bum bucky boy.

@choco said:

name the poster that did then....

@choco said:

name the poster that did then....

Can I have a guess? I know everything from Soup to nots!

@hoorta said:

My response was to your brain farted comparison of JM to A. Rogers. God knows anymore whos & who not a flipper on Manziel. Just judge our QB's from what we see on Game day. From what I seen with Josh. Josh deserves a TRUE look at Game Day. Not Settling on a Starter QB, is just poison to this board all year period.

@mike-h said:

Really bad

I for one, am glad youre back. We didn't have enough uninformed opinions to laugh at while the adults talked. Every forum needs a dunce, after all.

@tour2ma said:

First, on behalf of my Mother that recently passed due to Alzheimer's.... Fuck you.

My grandfather has it. Worst thing that can happen to a person. He was very productive, skilled word worker, very active DIY type of person.

Seeing him unable to do basic things like start the grill is pretty sad to watch.

Otherwise, I have nothing else to contribute to this thread - except some Johnny fanboys need to base their views in reality.

On the plus side, it's looking like that vaunted QB draft class for 2016 is thinning out by the day. Kiel went down last night. Hackenburg is no longer a 1st rounder. Cardale looks like crap. Etc.

Johnny's job will be tougher if he has to come off the bench so pray no injuries.

There are some analysts though that insist the Browns need to play Manziel now to determine if he's the franchise. I just can't argue that either.

BTW, Manziel has three touchdowns for over 50 yards, no other QB DOES. Also, those throws were impressive. And he stayed in the pocket. One more point. If Pettine is worried about turnovers, there were none. If he's worried about ball control, take a look at tape of Andrew Luck, Mariota, Winston, Carr, Bortles, Brees, Bradford, Flacco, ..

He needs to play. Period

Sunday can't come soon enough

@tour2ma said:

First, on behalf of my Mother that recently passed due to Alzheimer's.... Fuck you.Second, Mikey, I don't have to pretend anything.I don't have to pretend that Hoyer was the better choice for 2014. That one is in the books. Can you even conceive of the damage JFF would have done to this franchise hand we started him as you wanted to? The damage he might have done to himself?Thankfully JFF checked into rehab and JM emerged. And JM has a better chance at NFL success. I said so from the first look. It was obvious. Is he close to an NFL starter? No, not close, not yet. But he is progressing and someday may justify the undying faith you showed him when you agreed he should return to his backup role this week.And I am the one playing it both ways... lol...Does that clear things up? I hope so, because before I spend any more time on you, junior, you have to show me some of this "trash" I posted.And again, on behalf of my Mother, fuck you...Watching someone you love go the way she did is something I would wish on no person. Not even you... Not even Stockboy... the two most pompous assholes to ever post here.And I will never make senility jokes again. I suggest you do not either... Karma is a bitch.

Not reading all that. You were wrong, like you always are. Hoyer sucks, really bad. Like really, really, really bad

@tour2ma said:

Mine passed from it in 2011 the year after both her younger brother and sister died from the same thing.

I've had enough time to be able to joke about what is likely to be inevitable with yours truly........................

Now what was my point............?

Oh yeah, tough way to watch a vibrant person still able to outlast 35 year old women in aerobics at age 83 to barely able recall my name at 87. I know what you went through my friend.