@tiamat63 said:

I don't believe Cardale would be met with the same resistance that Johnny faced.

A few reasons. 1) Hometown kid 2) Buckeye 3)Work ethic & attitude

You won't see him having to check into rehab less than a year after being drafted. If he doesn't start day one, I doubt you'd hear a peep.

How can you be sure about #3? Is that just compared to JF? In that case, coming out of college, I think most players fit the bill

@westside-steve said:

Oh sure it is. Nobody will turn on him because he's from Ohio State.

Also the homers will shit the bed if he doesn't start day 1.

WSS

You said it. Not me

And your little shot about me being one to complain? That's cute... you know damn well not true. I understand you needed to slip that in there.

I'm not sure I remember what shot I took at you. Could you cut that and paste it?

WSS

@westside-steve said:

I'm well aware of your point about him being an Aggie. My points were reasons (legitimate reasons outside of school affiliation) that many Browns fans

would be willing to suffer through for Cardale. 1 & 2 are obviously no brainers. #3 is rather evident. You don't hear about Cardale partying, or drinking or having

a celebrity alter ego with a stupid hand sign. His one negative mark was a tweet over 3 years ago that he's clearly grown from.

Would I invest a high pick into 12gauge as this season stands? Absolutely not. Would I be upset if there was a midrange selection in hopes to develop a raw player with far superior physical ability than Johnny? Fuck no.

And your little shot about me being one to complain? That's cute... you know damn well not true. I understand you needed to slip that in there.

As for #3. Attitude... everything I've heard/read has been positive, but without results either it or aptitude is a good place to look for the issue.

@tiamat63 said:

I don't believe Cardale would be met with the same resistance that Johnny faced.

☆no you missed my point people would put up with anything from a Buckeye that they would not form an Aggie.☆

A few reasons. 1) Hometown kid 2) Buckeye 3)Work ethic & attitude

☆ 1 + 2 yes for sure 3 who knows? At any rate is wonderful playing days for the last three games of last season . He doesn't look like a nationwide phenomenon this year so ... ☆

You won't see him having to check into rehab less than a year after being drafted. If he doesn't start day one, I doubt you'd hear a peep.

☆ I think you would after the first incomplete pass or whoever the other starter was.☆

@westside-steve said:

I don't believe Cardale would be met with the same resistance that Johnny faced.

A few reasons. 1) Hometown kid 2) Buckeye 3)Work ethic & attitude

You won't see him having to check into rehab less than a year after being drafted. If he doesn't start day one, I doubt you'd hear a peep.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

But weren't you just saying we shouldn't turn on our QB? So this should make you happy.

So...

We should probably stay away from drafting Cardale.

I remained loyal to Charlie Frye probably longer than I should have because I went to Akron u.

But again no you shouldn't turn on your own players. Unless maybe they do something truly horrendous.

Do you have some sort of objection to that?

WSS

@wargograw said:

Miss State,after they beat then #2 Auburn and 3 near losses to NC State, Cuse adn CLemson for FSU they jumped 'em. No one so far this season has done anything close enough to unseat OSU.

@columbusking said:

Last year, some teams actually had a case to unseat FSU from the spot, at this point in the season, no team has shown anything to take OSU's spot.

Remind me who they were. Pretty sure I recall there not being a dominant team last year either.

@wargograw said:

Last year, some teams actually had a case to unseat FSU from the spot, at this point in the season, no team has shown anything to take OSU's spot.

@columbusking said:

OSU is still number 1, no doubt.

It's not MSU, TCU, Ole Miss, or Bama. It HAS to still be OSU at this point.

Why? Did you also take this position with FSU last year?

@westside-steve said:

Oh sure it is. Nobody will turn on him because he's from Ohio State.

Also the homers will shit the bed if he doesn't start day 1.

WSS

But weren't you just saying we shouldn't turn on our QB? So this should make you happy.

Cardale has touch to every spot on the field, but he's still just a first year starter.. with all the inexperience that implies.

The plays aren't different.. in fact, last year Cardale only had routes on one side of the field -- so that his read would be simpler. Last year, the base play was Smith runs deep and one or two come into the area vacated by the go route. This year, that's not available.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

No different than Fail With Manziel.

Also the homers will shit the bed if he doesn't start day 1.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

"Fail with Cardale"

WSS

No different than Fail With Manziel.

WSS

@tour2ma said:

Cardale threw a pretty touch pass near beginning of their first TD drive. Something like a 15 or 20 yd crossing route as I remember.

I still see a raw, Big Ben clone who stands in and surveys the field. Only question is whether he's reading D's or looking for open guys. Appeared to be the latter on the INT he threw. But you can bet he's working hard or else Urban would not be riding him.

Bottom Line: same potential as last year at a falling price.

As for ranking... no... not looking like #1, but...

#2 Michigan St. did not show well enough to unseat us.

#3 Ole Miss got skunked.

#4 and 5, TCU and Baylor, both won big and will be on our heels, but until the committee meets we're safe.

#6 and lower... not leap-frogging TCU and Baylor.

That's exactly how I feel, Tour. A mid round Cardale makes a great project. I'd be excited.