@the-gipper said:

Shit all. He'll be waived in a week for someone else.

@the-gipper said:

Special teamer, emergency DB.

Zombo

@mark-o said:

So? What is Don Jones going to bring to the table?

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-acquire-DB-Don-Jones-via-waivers-LB-Scott-Solomon-placed-on-IR/21a93d30-7720-4011-8736-fa60fe1354ad

@gftchris said:

Isn't that where Kruger is going to be even just marginally productive? Isn't it clear enough that as a standup 3-4 olb'er he's an utter failure? He came from Blt where they almost strictly put his hands in the dirt and rushed him off the tackles outside shoulder. He was rated as a 3-4 olb'er only because Blt was still mostly a 3-4 team and occasionally they stood Kruger up.

Bosa can play the 3-4 5 tech but imo that's a waste of his outside rush ability. He utterly caves in tackles outside shoulders. If he can continue that in the NFL he's going to be special. Look at what Watt does the few times they line him up outside like a 4-3 DE. I see no reason why we can't move Bosa around like they do with Watt. Difference is I think we have more interior talent than Houston so why play Bosa a lot inside? Why not put him outside the tackles? We could have a guy that carves down the edge like few if any rushers we've ever had in Cleveland. If we can sign or draft a real good speed rushing DE, like Mingo was supposed to be...we could do some really interesting things with that guy and Bosa on the other side.

@gftchris said:

I disagree with basically everything you just posted. If you switch to a 4-3, Kruger is set as a pure DE.

If you draft Bosa, you play him as a 3-4 DE - he's basically a JJ Watt clone, so put him in the same place. Shelton is a nose tackle, almost exclusively, so asking him to play 4-3 DT is a waste of his talents.

Like it or not, that's the way we're set for the next few years, building around Shelton, Cooper and Orchard.

• I don't see Cooper and Orchard as "foundational" players.
• Bosa strikes me as a perfect 4-3 DE... but in any case, please don't go to the Watt-clone place... he's not.
• 4-3 DTs line up on the Center's nose every Sunday in the NFL.
• I thought Kruger made his name primarily as a 4-3 DE that sometimes stood up and we reversed that.

@mudfly said:

It's early....but they are outperforming our OLBs....all have more sacks & tackles than Kruger or Orchard or Mingo or Solomon....which, right now, doesnt take much to do......

But of the four Browns you mention only Kruger has played a significant number of Defensive snaps... yes? And Mingo is the only ST regular.

Here are the picks': TotalSnaps/D-Snaps/D-Snap%/Sacks/Tackles/Assts.

Vic Beasley #8 to Atl. 212 / 194 / 57.7 / 2.0 / 8 / 4

Bud Dupree #22 to PTG. 204 / 181 / 51.0 / 3.0 / 9 / 4

Shag Thompson #25 Car. 191 / 148 / 48.7 / 1.0 /11 / 5

Randy Gregory #60 DAL.. 23 /. 19 /. 5.8 / no stats

Shane Ray #23 to .DNV. 104 /. 94 / 27.6 / 2.0 / 3 / 1

These aren't the 3-down OLBs I've craved since Clay left... but I could have made due with Beasley...

@gftchris said:

no. you build around solid players that the franchise recognizes as real nfl players.

shelton yes. cooper and orchard ? maybe but..........

anyone can always be replaced by draft or FA and if these guys (gilbert included...my fave) can't get the job done then get what you can for them and move on.

If you draft Bosa, you play him as a 3-4 DE - he's basically a JJ Watt clone, so put him in the same place. Shelton is a nose tackle, almost exclusively, so asking him to play 4-3 DT is a waste of his talents.

Like it or not, that's the way we're set for the next few years, building around Shelton, Cooper and Orchard.

@mudfly said:

I was about to ask too how some of those guys are doing, wht you just said right there is just infuriating. How? How the fuck is this possible?

@mudfly said:

Given that any member of the browns board has as many sacks as mingo orchard and solomon combined, and is only a half behind kruger, not saying much.

@the-gipper said:

It's early....but they are outperforming our OLBs....all have more sacks & tackles than Kruger or Orchard or Mingo or Solomon....which, right now, doesnt take much to do......

@the-gipper said:

Fowler blew out his knee on the first day of the offseason. I feel bad for the Jags.

@mudfly said:

@gumby73 said:

Are any of those LBs doing anything decent? I know it is only 5 games into their careers.

@gumby73 said:

Throw in Shane Ray, who well be seeing this week......Im not into coulda shoulda woulda,,,,,,but I woulda.....

@osiris said:

This

@tour2ma said:

I do remember the one big whiff, where he almost got him with an arm swipe....his entire stat line for the game is 4 hurries and 2 missed tackles....

But thats it....

maybe the hurries helped.....not sure....

@mudfly said:

To me, it seems he cant cover well and he cant play the run well.....so Im not really sure what he's good at except bull rushing the QB(and he's pretty marginal at that too).....

But Krugs did pressure Flacco on at least two occasions. Could have, maybe even should have, been sacks, but making Flacco move is often enough to defeat the play. So make him the designated, pass-rushing DE bookend to Armonty...

Problem is that with Solomon down with a knee...

@clevfan4life said:

wow I would not have guessed Kruger played so few snaps. That just doesn't pass the eyeball test, i'm usually always checking out who the edges are to see what we might be running on that play.

Nor would I have guessed so few, but that reinforces the point we have "discussed" in the past that it is very hard to:

- watch a game live, especially a close, emotional game as ours was Sunday;

- check multiple aspects of a defense (or offense); and

- keep an accurate, running count of those aspects in our head.

It's why the best the above can deliver are impressions. And it's why those impressions are often inaccurate at best.