@mark-o said:

At this point i'd take that. Dansby doesn't look like he's making tackles anywhere. I mean Dansby is getting washed out of every single gap right before the runner comes through. I don't get it, even avg LB'ers find the right gaps more than 1 or 2 times a game. It would be one thing if Dansby found the right gaps but not making the tackles, but not finding the runner as many times as he does is disturbing. That's what middle linebackers do since HS. We don't have anybody that sniffs the run. Fuck Teo was meeting our RB's on our side of the ball even if he didn't always make the tackle.....that's called instinctively diagnosing the play and acting on it.

@mudfly said:

you're talking career right? cause hasn't DQ outplayed Dansby for the last two years? And by quite substantial margins?

@mark-o said:

lmfao, yeah I meant tackles. Holy shit that would be a ridiculous stat through 6 games. Derp

1. Dansby may be no better of a tackler than DQ when he has a blocker in his lap.

2. Could be Bowe still works out great, but doesn't exactly have the fire to play.

@mark-o said:

OK, Dansby is an upgrade- but we're still not getting it done on rush defense. Dead last in total rush yards, and only San Diego is giving up more YPC- 5.4 to the Browns 5.0- yeah, we're pretty average in pass defense, because teams know they can run at will on us.

Need I mention Manning was barely touched the entire game? Another area that was supposed to be addressed in the off season that is woefully lacking to date.

Something is terribly wrong- and it needs to be fixed fast.

& I'd still like to know what Farmer was thinking when he brought in a useless to date Dwayne Bowe. If DB is here just to collect a paycheck- he's doing a great job of it. I'll give Pettine credit for this much- if you're the best player- you're going to get the playing time.

@clevfan4life said:

Thats not a good stat. ....Dansby is miles ahead of Jackson in every single career stat...including sacks..

DQ has only 15 sacks in his entire career and Dansby is the one that has 41. Dansby has 18 ints and 5 TD to DQ's 8 &1. Dansby also has 300 more tackles and more forced fumbles and more recovered fumbles too. Tackles for loss? Dansby has 76 for -149 yds.....DQ has 32 for -69 yds....

So, definitely the right move to dump Jackson for Dansby.

@clevfan4life said:

I'm assuming you mean tackles because 41 sacks through 6 games would have destroyed the single season sack total by 20 with 10 games to play. Dqwell always had a lot of tackles...how many of them are 8 yards downfield?

@mark-o said:

dqwell has 41 total sacks up to this point. Dansby has 23. Almost doubling him.

@bbedward said:

Hopefully Gordon stays clean and becomes a reliable big target next year.

We used to be talking about Mack's replacement assuming he'd be opting out, but given his performance it seems like him opting out may be less likely.

lol... even I wasn't going to bring up Gordon... but when he was right we also skipped the whole red zone thing more than a couple times.

Mack... yeah... painful route to retaining him perhaps, but can hope two-years after he returns to form.

@bbedward said:

Our running game was the best it's been yesterday and the OL usually does pretty well in pass protection.

Both interceptions were 100% McCown. Many sacks were 100% his fault too.

Run game? Yes, excluding QB runs was our highest total by backs, but 33 carries for 109 (3.3 YPA) isn't strong. Duke 9/38/4.5 McC 3/12/4.0 Crow 11/32/2.9 Turbin 10/27/2.7

PassPro: Edges... yes. Middle... no.

INTs? Sure... a quick throw into the unexpected is on the QB, but a throw weakened by contact as the ball is released?

Sacks? How "many" of the 4 - four - 4 total sacks were 100% QB? Did I mention that there were only 4 sacks?

@jrb12711 said:

You older guys have to realize I have literally seen one good year of Browns football (using playoffs as a metric here) since I've been on the Earth. How can I not have this feeling? Even though it was heartbreak city at least you guys likely saw some championship games and consistent winners.

Trust me... having lived that history does not make the recent circumstances any easier to bear.

@tour2ma said:

Hopefully Gordon stays clean and becomes a reliable big target next year.

We used to be talking about Mack's replacement assuming he'd be opting out, but given his performance it seems like him opting out may be less likely.

@mike-h said:

McCown didn't do himself many favors. Played good again at times, against a really good defense, but he made too many critical errors and held the ball too long at times. He also blew the game...

Blew it by???

@westside-steve said:

Exactly. Just don't blow it up and start over with another 48 month deadline.

Mine was not a comment on the staff, but it works for that purpose as well.

@miktoxic said:

exactly. besides drafting OL and 4th round rbs and wrs when has farmer went offense?

expect it next year, big time.

Does a first-round QB count?

Focus has been on D which only makes the D's performance more painful. But given it's performance I am not sure how we turn to Offense in the 2016 Draft.

Add that Offensive has been our unexpected strength despite issues in the middle of our O-line and besides a red zone target, where is the need? QB? Maybe, but not a settled question yet. And even if it was, who is the answer?

Changing the culture meant they're changing the whole roster and if they don't manage to get it right, they will fall on their sword.

@hoorta said:

Jackson? Seriously? How many plays did that guy make? I watched the whole game last night and he was same out of position dude that he always was in Cleveland. Skrine I think was a money decision. He got paid more than the Browns were willing to give him. I thought he improved last year after being pretty much a train wreck the previous season. Sheard I liked but seemed to get hurt a lot.

@canton-dawg said:

Completely agree. Still room for improvement (a lot of improvement in rush defense for example) but as opposed to needing to rebuild the entire team, there are parts that need to be improved.

@canton-dawg said:

Those were fun as well.

@mike-h said:

Like dead last in run defense isn't an embarrassment. As it stands, the defense is a train wreck. Have only played one decent game this year- and that was against the Titans.

@jrb12711 said:

All I see in that comment is exactly what I'm saying is wrong with the Browns organization. Mik, this is the God damn NFL. Obviously playing a close game is better than getting embarrassed out there, but ALL that really matters is who has more points when it's said and done. We get to say exactly what you're saying over and over again. You could have made that comment in 2005 and it would be just as true as it is today. I could absolutely care less what another team is doing that we played well against, that is completely insignificant.

Why doesn't this whole organization deserve jabs? I mean seriously, why? That doesn't make anyone not a fan of the Browns to be critical of seeing the same tired mistakes year after year.

This is addressed to Mik- the Natives are getting tired of "moral Victories".

Inquiring minds want to know why getting rid of guys like TJ Ward, D'quell Jackson, Jaball Sheard, Buster Skrine, and 1\2the defensive line improved things. Oh and bringing in (the yet again inactive against Denver) $9 million dollar Dwayne Bowe- who to date has contributed absolutely nothing to the offense.

Combine that with a 36 yr old career backup QB with a squad of midget receivers.

What could possibly go wrong?

At the end of the day, we hung with an undefeated team.

I'm not happy we lost, but this team is getting better.

@mark-o said:

Don't forget beating the defending SB champion Giants & Saints.

@the-cysko-kid said:

The Tennessee game was a high point this year for me because I was there and saw a win. Beating the Bengals on TNF last season was a high point. So were the wins over Cincy and Buffalo in 2013, probably again because I was there for both games. 2007 was fun (after the opener). The year we made the playoffs was fun until we gagged the Steelers game.

All depends on your definition of "high points" I suppose.

@mark-o said:

Could very well be. Hadn't really considered that but it's entirely possible. Being a fan of a team for many decades isn't easy. There are always going to be ups and downs. But, sticking by that team (in my opinion) does make the high points a whole lot higher.

And we had high points when? 1985-1989?