This is why chumps and other assorted outsiders don't need to be in the locker room.

@tour2ma said:

I wonder how much Bowe's presence is dragging down our players...Pet and Farm have dealt with reportedly negative presences in the past, e.g., Tate, West, but have not faced a situation where there was a lack of positive contributions on the scale of Bowe.

He needs to do SOMETHING for that fat paycheck.

@columbusking said:

Men "should" congratulate another man for whooping his ass? I guess a MAN can't be so disappointed with himself, his team, whatever, to the point where he doesn't want to see anybody from any place, any team because he knows he is too pissed to think and act rationally. But idk..... I guess I like to win more then i care about other people's opinion of myself.

@tiamat63 said:

Tia, Thank you for this. Am 52 & still in alot of locker rooms & this shows you have been in many of them yourself. The missing factor of this story is this maybe the last time you will play the St. Louis Rams. So when Pettine hugs that other coach you know & I know that maybe the last hug they have as competitors. You also understand that music is a coach & team captain talk waitin to happen, if not happened yet & of course if it ever happened..

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

heh heh heh heh, just a bunch of frustrated fans. up and down the board...poor ole cleveeeeelin. All i can tell you mr couch is break out your lebron shirt because it is the only chance we have of winning any kind of championship.

The TNF game at Cincy says it all last year, they played physical football and literally smacked the Bengals in the mouth. They aren't doing that this year. The Bengals are playing much more physical this year and I'm scared about that Thursday Game.

I'll be seeing that shit in Cincy in the cold instead of the opening night showing of Spectre ?

@tiamat63 said:

The game or match is over, hopefully you did your best. It's the right thing to do to say "well played" especially if you're the one who lost. Jesus...it's been going on like this for years. Why is this such an issue this week?

@columbusking said:

Men "should" congratulate another man for whooping his ass? I guess a MAN can't be so disappointed with himself, his team, whatever, to the point where he doesn't want to see anybody from any place, any team because he knows he is too pissed to think and act rationally. But idk..... I guess I like to win more then i care about other people's opinion of myself.

There's nothing wrong with giving a 'well played' to the other team, be they the victor or the vanquished.

Men in are able to control their actions. What you're describing is someone acting like a jackass during a night of heavy drinking.

This reminds me of a prayer I heard from an opposing player after a game of mine. Keep in mind we lost, 13-7. Battled the who time and gave up a score late. I broke the face guard on my helmet when the clock hit :00 because winning meant so much to me. That loss still bothers me.

That said, I'm not even openly a Christian, rather agnostic but I love what the team prayer means. He said to the effect that while he thanked God for this team mates, he also thanked God for us. Because without opponents, men willing to compete just like him, there is no game. No way to invest in the thing you love. You can't play football against yourself. We were 'opponents on the field, but friends and brothers off of it'.

You'd do well to maybe get into a sport. Might open your eyes a bit.

@walterwhite said:

The fact of the matter is Pettine and Farmer are REALLY bad at firing up the troops.

When they do, they get a lead and let it slip because they play not to lose.

Haha this is sad. Playing not to lose is everyone's complaint of every coach we have had since 1999. Pettine goes for it on 4th down plenty as well as going for 2 sometimes when unnecessary. You can dislike him but he is not conservative. You are just repeating what others have said without understanding what the statement even means..

@tour2ma said:

Agree 100%!!

Mike

@tiamat63 said:

All things MEN can and should do. I stress men because I don't take you as one. Especially when it comes to competition.

Men "should" congratulate another man for whooping his ass? I guess a MAN can't be so disappointed with himself, his team, whatever, to the point where he doesn't want to see anybody from any place, any team because he knows he is too pissed to think and act rationally. But idk..... I guess I like to win more then i care about other people's opinion of myself.

Pet and Farm have dealt with reportedly negative presences in the past, e.g., Tate, West, but have not faced a situation where there was a lack of positive contributions on the scale of Bowe.

For me:

The locker room is disturbing.

The post game socializing is a non-issue.

Our coach's "style" is what it is.

In Pet I see control and resolve with a fire under the surface. It's not exciting as raw, outward emotion, but it can be sustained.

Contrast him with our recent past HCs...

Chud? Resolve?

Shurmur?

Even Mangini who over-controlled himself to a fault.

These guys don't care, as long as their healthy and getting paid. Losing and getting a fat FA contract at the end of your career is what the Browns are all about. It obviously comes from the leadership/management of this team who have failed to build a culture of winning.

Until the culture changes, the losing will continue...

Being a good sport after a loss is normal. I even saw Pettine give a hug to a Rams coach. Greet some of the other team but then get off the field ...because if you haven't noticed you are the losing player on the losing team. The winning team celebrates. Go out and win some games and then celebrate.

Coach Pettine deserves that

hope that hasnt gone by the wayside

@columbusking said:

But I did play football? I said "I'm no football genius" which is true and neither is anyone on this god forsaken board. Also, acording to Merriam-Webster a "bitch" is defined as.....

"1. the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals

2. a lewd or immoral woman

3. something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant

4. complaint"

And I don't fit any of those definitions so I'm not sure how I am a bitch, let alone a complete one.

Yeah, you've made my point. I appreciate it.

Edit: to be simple. If you win, shake the other man's hand, wish them good health and move on.

If you lose, shake the other man's hand, say 'well done', internalize your defeat and use it as motivation to move on.

All things MEN can and should do. I stress men because I don't take you as one. Especially when it comes to competition.

@columbusking said:

So basically in your opinion, every team is ok with losing since every team does exactly what the Browns team did after the game on Sunday.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Honestly, if I were an opposing head coach, I'd be all for your idea, just to see you stomping around on the sideline like Jim Harbaugh whining and complaining and yelling at your players because you're too insecure to lose.

Huge difference between Jim Harbaughs antics and not wanting your players to be content with losing. Which is exactly what the Browns are. They lose and are okay with it, most of them at least.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Exactly... and not only New England. Every team or individual in nearly every sport.

@stinkhole said:

And yet it happens at the end of nearly every sporting event that is played. You all are bitching about a non issue.

@columbusking said:

Guess what New England does after a game, win lose or draw? They shake hands. They socialize with the other team. They smile. They don't sulk around like pussies, like you'd have your team do.

Honestly, if I were an opposing head coach, I'd be all for your idea, just to see you stomping around on the sideline like Jim Harbaugh whining and complaining and yelling at your players because you're too insecure to lose.