@mudfly said:

This was in the wrong thread I think

But I mean it would be really nice if Bowe wasn't a non-factor given the couple injuries we have this Thursday at WR

@bbedward said:

Make him better than what...he hasnt even played...

How about a drug to just get him in a game?....and then actually make a few attempts to throw him the ball?

I do understand he hasnt done anything to impress the coachs(obviously)....he might completely suck rocks too......but I also think players gotta play if you want to truly see what they can do.......

And unlike, say Gilbert or Manziel, at least Bowe has a history that proves he can play in this league.....

I truly do not understand how they think all these guys standing on the sidelines is doing good for the team.......

We could really use him since looks like Hawkins+Hartline will be out.

@dawg2fan said:

I don't know what year it is any more.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

By any chance, is this what you meant?

VesnaKociper said:

Nothing much except being one of the best LT's in football for years now. He's one of the few picks we've gotten right since 99. James Harrison even said I would have knocked out 10 Cleveland QB's with just my dick swinging around the edge if it hadn't been for JT.

@bbedward said:

Just think.....the Browns could have also passed on JT....in favor of either DE Gaines Adams who was taken with the very next pick or OT Levi Brown, taken after that.

Adams died of a heart attack after 3 years in the league. Levi Brown was basically a bust who is no longer playing in the league.

That #5 overall pick can't get a job.

So, yes, Ghoolie, things could have been worse than taking JT.

Pass on Rothlisberger, AP, AJ Green, Julio Jones...............then expect to win?

Idiotic.

But...they didn't pass on Weeden, Richardson and Josh Gordon who were supposed to be as good as all those guys:

And by the way....they didn't pass on AJ Green. They wanted Green and would have taken him except the Bengals took him ahead of them.

If the Bengals did not take Green, Browns would have....and would have never traded the pick to get Phil Taylor.

@sisky-fringo said:

JT isn't responsible for our crappy draft record otherwise, Ghoolie just doesn't understand that

A HOFer LT that has never missed a snap was a great pick in 2007, however the picks surrounding it not so much.

@medicineman said:

I could almost see that.......but hopefully Joe was in on it.....because picking on the best player you've had in 40 years AND our highest rated player this year would be a complete dirt bag move.....

@bbedward said:

His value has definitely dropped, still holding out hope he can get back to form though.

As far as the statement above you regarding Joe Thomas, no comment because that's moronic. JT would make a huge difference on a contender.

Joe is awesome, easily one of the best ever. his size and ability in ANY era before now would make his legacy all-world, the "Jim Brown" of o-lineman. his greatness makes other guy's jobs harder, not just the obvious of the opponent's D, but also for his bookend and fellow line-mates...similar to how Darelle Revis's cb teammates become the focus of gameplans by default. i wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz hates the guy. just kidding.

if you could go back though, and JT, Megatron and All Day are all on the board...tough call.

all of the above, sure. if i knew Peterson's college injuries were not going to be issues??? hmmm

@mudfly said:

I did note that his statement says "this season".....still might be setting the tone to stay in case his value has dropped.....

His value has definitely dropped, still holding out hope he can get back to form though.

As far as the statement above you regarding Joe Thomas, no comment because that's moronic. JT would make a huge difference on a contender.

"I have a 'no-trade' clause in my contract. It was included for good reason. I'm not leaving my teammates, coaches and Browns fans while there is work this season to be finished," Mack wrote.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000572084/article/browns-alex-mack-will-not-waive-notrade-clause

I did note that his statement says "this season".....still might be setting the tone to stay in case his value has dropped.....

@hoorta said:

Sure- trade them for what? Another first round bust?

get what we can for Johnny from Dallas, offer Mack to Houston for Hoyer and a #2 pick...haven't seen Irving at center but if Hoyer knows the current offense, together he and McCown could do some good things i think. qb by committee is a cleveland reality for 15 yrs. i say we embrace it.

@bob806 said:

If they are able to grab a 2015 first round pick, a 2016 first round pick, plus at least a 2015 second round pick, then take those picks and get a legitimate QB, a legitimate ILB, a legitimate DE and LT/C replacement...I'd welcome a trade with Denver with open arms.

EDIT:

For instance, say we trade them, finish 4-12, finish at #2, trade from #2 to #5 and pick up a 2015 second and third, take OT Ronnie Stanley at #5, then package a 2016 first, a 2015 second, a 2016 second and a 2015 third to move up for QB Jordan Lynch, then take DE Chris Jones in the second, I may take that.

Maybe.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

If they trade to help Denver out I'm driving right up there and bitching up a storm.

There are teams that we should never ever deal with.

IIRC, Broncos have lost a two LT and a C this season. If they are looking at a playoff run, they might be the team calling about both Mack and Thomas.

I hope they don't.

@brownsfan4evr said:

Well its too bad our Coaching is not on par. We should be getting so much more from this group. And our Def Coordinator is just plain lousy. If we give up these guys, imagine how much worse our team will be. Lets look at the Pats, they always get more with less. Until we get a good coach, we will always play under par. I like pettine, but hate the fact that he keeps this Def Coordinator.