@canton-mike said:

same page....as usual...

@mudfly said:

You don't BACK into a win...you TAKE it! We should go "balls to the wall" to assure that we are the last team to score in the 1st half of any game. Its called momentum.

Mike

@dawg2fan said:

Doesn't matter.....its about developing a winning mentality.....

@tour2ma said:

Wasn't just the FG that AZ got... it was the tone the series set... both our weak offensive series and AZ's aggressive one.

Exactly.......our team see's a short clock and decides NOT to try to score....just hold on and dont make any mistakes, so to speak....

The other team see's an even shorter clock and they go for points....and get them....

Should try to at least show a will to win and confidence in your team....playing it safe in the first half is for losers....

@tacosman said:

So if we got a 1st down and went into the locker up 20-7, then what? They outscored us 24-0 in the 2nd half. We all know that Palmer turned the ball over many times in the 1st half. He corrected that in the 2nd. Period. And their D stepped up. I do however think Pettine is the problem. But what do we do if we get rid of him? Who else wants to come here?

Ditto for his DC...

@tour2ma said:

Agree... we needed to stay aggressive there. We had 90+ seconds and two time-outs. A PAP on 1st would have been the time to take a stab at moving the ball.

That's assuming it was Pettine's call for 3 straight runs. He is not the OC.. Plus he isn't counting on Haden being unable to cover Germaine Fucking Gresham down the field.. I realize Haden is still not himself health-wise though..

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

If he's given another year- nothing I can do about it. If the Browns go 4-12 or worse- it's fighting the current owner think in the NFL. If we're still 2-6 come November 2016 with Pettine as HC- seems the "stay the course guys" are going to be wearing egg on face.

@tacosman said:

The nfl isn't a 4 year play.

And it's not firing your HC every year either.

Your just butt hurt that Pettine won't start your boyfriend at QB.

@flugel said:

This board has given you 3,257 chances to say something intelligent. Baby steps...

LOL now that is some funny shit! +1 for sure Flugel

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

No...it gets us another year or longer of listening to them tell everyone that he should be fired.

1) this team sucks

2) they are regressing

3) If they keep sucking and regressing at the end of 2 years, that's going to be a problem in todays nfl

What don't you guys understand about that? The nfl isn't a 4 year play. Jesus.

There's still steel behind Pet's words. Overlaid by disappointment certainly... I'd expect no less after a loss. But despite that the only hint of annoyance was in answering the "trading block" question.

@flugel said:

@flugel said:

This board has given you 3,257 chances to say something intelligent. Baby steps...

i know you are talking about pettine.

@tacosman said:

@tacosman said:

pettine's biggest mistake was the inexplicable decision to not even make a true effort at a first down at the end of the first half. That gave Arizona three free points. Inexcusable. This is the nfl....you can't just give up three points like that. We get a first down there and we go into half 20-7.

I know some in this forum have this idea that our offense is 'overperforming', but yesterday they were below average on the whole.....yet again. for the third straight week. 20 pts is not a terrible total(it's slightly below average by nfl standards in 2015), but in a game with so many big plays on defense on both sides(ie game changing turnovers), that makes it even worse. For example we got one turnover at the ten yard line. The offense did a good job to push it in from there, but when you have opps like that you need to score more than 20 pts.

Pettine is likely to be fired at the end of the year. That's just reality. His only hope is really that Johnny catches fire when he decides to put him in as the guy....whether it's this Thursday or the week after.

its too late for that...johnny will not be able to save pettine. not enough live game reps. he'll be so out of sync. too many games left with teams that have very good defenses. it's over...

@tacosman said:

pettine's biggest mistake was the inexplicable decision to not even make a true effort at a first down at the end of the first half. That gave Arizona three free points.

Agree... we needed to stay aggressive there. We had 90+ seconds and two time-outs. A PAP on 1st would have been the time to take a stab at moving the ball.

@richiswhere said:

I'd respect Pettine if he said (around the 50 second mark.)

I know some in this forum have this idea that our offense is 'overperforming', but yesterday they were below average on the whole.....yet again. for the third straight week. 20 pts is not a terrible total(it's slightly below average by nfl standards in 2015), but in a game with so many big plays on defense on both sides(ie game changing turnovers), that makes it even worse. For example we got one turnover at the ten yard line. The offense did a good job to push it in from there, but when you have opps like that you need to score more than 20 pts.

Pettine is likely to be fired at the end of the year. That's just reality. His only hope is really that Johnny catches fire when he decides to put him in as the guy....whether it's this Thursday or the week after.

@walterwhite said:

This board has given you 3,257 chances to say something intelligent. Baby steps...

@clevfan4life said:

give it up walter

I'd have phrased it "Fuck off...", but good thought.

@hoorta said:

to be honest, i don't think mccown had the strength anymore when he threw that pick...he is just so beat up...and it wasn't his fault that turbin fumbled after mccown drove them a pretty good distance prior...the fucking team stinks...all the way around...

@walterwhite said:

I'm starting to see the reincarnation of Pat Sure-loss. Gee- I don't know what happened. I do- MCown was at the point of spitting up blood, you saw it- or the scouts in the press box surely did. He's my warrior- well, your "warrior" just cost you another game.

By all means Mike- keep playing Josh. He's your meal ticket out of town. I respect Tour- and a couple other guys around here. ONeil is in way over his head. Getting outscored 27-3 is grounds for firing, We had the momentum, the home crowd, and laid a humongous egg in the second half. McClown didn't help the cause with that horrendous red zone int.