<![CDATA[Farmer pressy]]>Ok....now that Ive recovered from the JT scare.....gotta a few thoughts on the Ray Farmer pressy....

And, I will stress that I have backed Ray all the way 100%........but we havent seen him since his suspension, which I felt was a bit like hiding.....and now....WOW....he came off really really bad.....

1) He was sweating like a pig at a bbq.....

2) He came off as arrogant, defensive and fairly condescending....really a bad look....

3) He accepted zero culpability for "anything".....nada.....and barely acknowledged we weren't doing well

4) Basically said good players, playing good....just not winning,,,

5) No changes needed...

6) and, amazingly, he said that there is not 1 personnel decision he's made alone(ie: responsible for)....its a "group" thing....

You know.....I didnt like it.....not one bit.....blech......

and I truly believe he was on the verge of trading Jt, which tells me a lot.....and I dont like that either...

Just a bad look for his first time up this year.....

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Ray-Farmer-press-conference---113/018fa93a-2d08-40f0-952a-4679b55ffecc

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@7moses7 said:

Ray Farmer does resemble Ray Charles thats why he cant see the talent he doesnt have

Nice!

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/546752https://brownsboard.com/post/546752Sun, 08 Nov 2015 14:09:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Sun, 08 Nov 2015 11:42:01 GMT]]>Ray Farmer does resemble Ray Charles thats why he cant see the talent he doesnt have

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/546734https://brownsboard.com/post/546734Sun, 08 Nov 2015 11:42:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Sun, 08 Nov 2015 00:15:31 GMT]]>Ray is a nincompoop... The team needs a Bill Pollian type... Not an idiot type like Ray

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/546702https://brownsboard.com/post/546702Sun, 08 Nov 2015 00:15:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Sun, 08 Nov 2015 00:02:37 GMT]]>The Browns having approx. 18.2 mil in cap space gave them an opportunity to trade for some big names. The trade deadline has expired and I don't see any players on the roster at skill positions that deserve an extension. That's crazy.

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@londonbrown said:

What is it with Farmer and movies?

He starred in this movie can't you tell?

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@londonbrown said:

What is it with Farmer and movies?

I was asking myself that same question after his presser.

I hope his movie has a happy ending, so far it's been a comedy.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/545904https://brownsboard.com/post/545904Thu, 05 Nov 2015 23:19:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Thu, 05 Nov 2015 23:16:54 GMT]]>What is it with Farmer and movies?

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@mddawg said:

Agree that would've been a huge gamble. Pettine is in over his head way more than Farmer: Playing Kruger out of position, unable to utilize Sheard who's excelling in the same 3-4 system, unable to develop Gilbert, playing Bademosi over Desir, playing Haden out of position (He's not an "island" cornerback) leaving an obviously injured McCown in the last game when it was still winnable etc etc.

Kruger can't cover anyone and he has half a sack with 9 tackles, so yes he's out of position...he should be standing on the sidelines.

Unable to develop Gilbert? Really? The guy is a first round pick, which by NFL standards he should start AND be an impact player from the word go. Sheard just can't stay healthy, whether it's here or in NE.

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@tour2ma said:

Who doesn't kick cats?

I'd rather lick the kitty

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@jiggins7919 said:

If you're a GM in the NFL for long enough, eventually you will miss on a first round pick. The problem is, you actually have to land one to counteract this. Farmer's legacy was solidified the moment we passed on Carr and Bridgewater. Oh, and we traded UP for Manziel.

Bridgewater sucks

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/545898https://brownsboard.com/post/545898Thu, 05 Nov 2015 22:51:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:34:00 GMT]]>imagine coons kicking a cat from 52 yards out?

(did that come out sounding ok?)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/545163https://brownsboard.com/post/545163Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:34:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:29:56 GMT]]>Who doesn't kick cats?

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@opal312 said:

I don't like him from the start. He said during the 2014 draft after Josh Gordon's suspension was publicized that he was not going to "veer from the plan" Meaning he was not going to draft a wide receiver. No matter what! This guy has serious issues besides being an arrogant, stubborn, Know-it-all.

He's a control freak! That's why he was texting Shanahan during games.

Get rid of this ego maniac before he sets us back another five years!

Farmer had four first round picks and failed. He chased a damn good offensive coordinator to Atlanta and is a human wrecking ball.

PEEEEEUUUUUUUUU

i don't think you like much of anything in life.

in fact i betcha you kick cats.

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Zombo said:

Mudfly too, but not so much on this topic.

Z

Maybe you're right.....I rarely vent and always try to be supportive(and logical).....but right now.....Im - just - pissed...!

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@jiggins7919 said:

Oh, and we traded UP for Manziel.

.......he also traded up for Gilbert and West.....

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/545139https://brownsboard.com/post/545139Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:32:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:28:36 GMT]]>If you're a GM in the NFL for long enough, eventually you will miss on a first round pick. The problem is, you actually have to land one to counteract this. Farmer's legacy was solidified the moment we passed on Carr and Bridgewater. Oh, and we traded UP for Manziel.

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Zombo said:

Amazingly, the On The Rag people were drawn to the On The Rag thread.

I resemble that, Johnny!

PS Hope to cross paths in Feb.

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@stillmotion said:

Farmer: "How do we fix it? We Continue to do the exact same thing we've been doing".

Sounds a lot like the definition of insanity.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/545116https://brownsboard.com/post/545116Wed, 04 Nov 2015 10:29:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:56:17 GMT]]>what did you all expect, Farmer wasn't going to throw himself under the bus.

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@canton-dawg said:

That would be a huge gamble attempting to replace a HOF'er with an unproven rookie.

NFL insider Albert Breer was on the Bull &Fox show today, and point blank said "it's well known around the NFL that Ray Farmer is in over his head."

I don't need Breer to tell me that, just look at his body of work.

Agree that would've been a huge gamble. Pettine is in over his head way more than Farmer: Playing Kruger out of position, unable to utilize Sheard who's excelling in the same 3-4 system, unable to develop Gilbert, playing Bademosi over Desir, playing Haden out of position (He's not an "island" cornerback) leaving an obviously injured McCown in the last game when it was still winnable etc etc.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/545084https://brownsboard.com/post/545084Wed, 04 Nov 2015 04:32:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Wed, 04 Nov 2015 04:31:09 GMT]]>"Do we have enough talent to stop the run better"? Farmer - Doesn't even say yes, just flip flops the question.

"Do we have enough talent to do better"? Farmer - "I think so".

I hope he thinks right.

I think the problem to Pettine/Farmer's approach is they are so stubborn with the "The hardest worker will earn the spot", that we'll end up with a bunch of mediocre players who practice hard and don't have enough talent for us to win. Plenty of Allstars have attitude problems, it's how you deal with them. Someway, Somehow, Belichick was able to keep Randy Moss in check and have him put up a record season. If Pettine and Farmer would of had Randy Moss, would they of benched him because he didn't "Earn" the spot by working the hardest in practice?

This is definitely why Gilbert, Manziel, and even Bowe haven't played much at all. Who knows if Bowe will be better than the WR play we've seen? Paying him 9 mil and not playing him because he didn't "earn" the spot seems childish to me though....

Pettine is too stubborn and I don't think he likes Johnny at all. Mccown is playing well, but clearly, Pettine plays mad favorites.

He's not as bad of coach as you are making him out all to be. He's just stubborn and too soft to Fire O'Neil who clearly can't make defensive calls because he wants to bring his buddy along for the ride.

Flip is doing a good job, but also, we need to be better with the "flow of the game" and ride the hot hand with players like duke last week.

The cowboys road mcfadden the week before last and he killed it. Hopefully they quit being stubborn and try harder to win instead of being "right" and rewarding players who "earn the spot in practice".

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/545082https://brownsboard.com/post/545082Wed, 04 Nov 2015 04:31:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Wed, 04 Nov 2015 04:13:27 GMT]]>Trying hard to think back to Ray's intro and 2014 appearances. I'm not sure his demeanor has changed all that much.

What's changed is the context.

So what came off as "determined" 20(?) months, 12 months and 6 months ago is now coming off as "stubborn" or "detached"...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/545076https://brownsboard.com/post/545076Wed, 04 Nov 2015 04:13:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Farmer pressy on Wed, 04 Nov 2015 04:06:32 GMT]]>Farmer: "How do we fix it? We Continue to do the exact same thing we've been doing".

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@mudfly said:

1) He was sweating like a pig at a bbq.....

Next time bring a mop...

There was a lot of "been working hard... am working hard... will keep working hard". I flashed to sessions with folks I ended up firing. That was the troubling language to me.

@bbedward said:

And I think Denver called and we listened, I don't think we were shopping JT

Same here...

Zombo said:

Amazingly, the On The Rag people were drawn to the On The Rag thread.

May have stumbled onto something there, Z... thread bait.

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