Brady's Ball Sack said:

But Brady was a sixth.

What say we were to get Nick Saban? Or Norv Turner or Greg Schiano or Gruden or Singletary. How about some ex Browns take over

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

In every year he's started (2013 to current) he's completed 58% of his passes. I'm not sure what world of stats you live in where 58% is "barely 50%" but I hope that margin of error is really big.

I think what bothers me the most is our entire team strategy hasn't worked. Drafting back to acquire more picks? Fail. Pettine's defensive philosophy? Fail. These aren't just small things here. Can Pettine really learn how to evolve his defense? Can Farmer start to figure out how to identify playmakers? Basically, can our most important personnel figure it all out in another year or maybe two? I dunno...but I would lean towards "No."

Many people believed the Browns were a QB away from being relevant. Not contending, but just being relevant. McCown hasn't set the world on fire, but I would say he's played well enough to win a few more games. What we all started realizing is that we aren't a QB away, and we have a serious lack of studs on this team. On BOTH sides of the ball. So when you look at the Browns "needs" list...does it look any smaller than it did before Farmer took over? Is our coaching any better than it used to be? Do we all remember the numerous clock blunders from Pettine, the personnel screw ups, the insane amount of penalties....is that progress?

I'm just a fan, so I have no clue what to do. I'd LIKE to see some progress being made. I'd LIKE to see us close the season out well, bring Pettine and Farmer back, and have the continuity we desperately need...but if we're as bad as ever, what good does it do to keep them? Somebody smarter than me has the answer...I hope.

@tiamat63 said:

That's not what everyone here has been saying when they say that McCown is a loser because the team isn't winning.

@mark-o said:

Teams win games. I can assure you that Carolina isn't winning exclusively because of Cam at QB. Renewed Oline play and turnover margin have been the big differences in the previous season and this season for them.

dude has more talent in his pinky paw (as a qb) than our 3 put together in a time warp and mind-meld.

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

He wins games... we don't have QB's who do that. Also..looking at it closely...you could make a strong case that our WR's are better than what he has to work with. Carolinas TE is legit but the receivers are nobodies.

@mark-o said:

I'd trade most, if not all of our draft picks to have him play QB for the Browns. I'd love to have a guy who "isn't that good" as our QB.

No thanks. He barely completes 50% of his passes. We already have QBs that can do that..

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

I'd trade most, if not all of our draft picks to have him play QB for the Browns. I'd love to have a guy who "isn't that good" as our QB.

@mark-o said:

If you believe QBR, he's in the bottom third of NFL QB's this year. Which would lead me to think that QBR is a bullshit rating formula.

It is a bullshit rating, but Cam also isn't that good.. I would love to have Carolina's defense though..

@tour2ma said:

Yes, still. Consistency is a top tier need for any NFL QB, ultimately I think it might doom Cook.

@londonbrown said:

Is Cam Newton still classed as inaccurate?

Cam, much like Cook, has spurts of inaccurate and late passes. His redeeming grace is improved Oline play, coupled with being a tall fixture in the pocket that's hard to bring down ala Big Ben. He can hold onto the ball a little longer than he should do deliver downfield passes. Has Cam's decision making improved a bit? Yes.

Enough that I'd still take him over Rodgers, Breesy, Brady, Ben etc etc? Nope.

Brady's Ball Sack said:

Ever think the problem is a lack of talent? Possibly because of a lack of contintinuity? Maybe you are three players away, ever think about that?

1 - No. Not necessarily.

2 - Yes, certainly.

3 - Sure. Those three are probably QB, ILB, rush end.

Brady's Ball Sack said:

Let the man coach for 6 years, and by then, you will not only be competitive again, but in the playoffs.

Fire him now, and you will be spinning your wheels the same way you have been doing since the Browns fired Sam R., and be stuck in the mud at the bottom.

If we're not competitive by 3 and into the playoffs by 4, he won't make it to 6 - and he shouldn't.

but i'll guarantee half these 'fire' pettine' fans would love to have their record.

whoever is saying fire the coaching staff after 2 years is a Retard.

@londonbrown said:

If you believe QBR, he's in the bottom third of NFL QB's this year. Which would lead me to think that QBR is a bullshit rating formula.

@londonbrown said:

From nc YES, but a getting better, with average WR though. His feet & Size our leading him to better choices in the pocket. Most of his inaccurate is high & not catchable by no one. Not a bad thing imo. Conner a much slower Cam running, but reads & eyes down field goes to Conner.

@tiamat63 said:

Also, there's a lot to like about Cook. What scares me though are his frequent bouts of great inaccuracy.

Still? Haven't seen too much of him this year... but in 2014 when he went off the rails, he got his money's worth.

Bring in Schwartz.

I mean, look at it this way: In 2013, we had 6 pro bowlers, which means we had a good number of elite talent. So with that foundation, it makes sense that we would be able to take our incredible number of first, second, and third round picks to elevate that talent pool. But for some reason, the exact opposite happened. We missed on basically every early pick except Bitonio, and even our allstars are playing poorly. I can't fathom that out of all our premium draft picks, we failed to net more than ONE difference maker, and now we are completely feeling the devastating effects of that.

Take a look at what this team needs:

Strong Safety - Whitner not getting younger, and has anybody been impressed with his play? I like Campbell, but he's young and unproven.

Free Safety - Contract talks have broken down with Gipson and a long term deal does not look likely (maybe tag him?)

Inside Linebacker - This might be a position many don't realize we need, but I think we're desperate for a young stud here. A real difference maker that can get us off the field. I like Dansby, but he's not getting younger either, and looks slow to me (I could be wrong, just an observation).

OLB/Pass Rusher - Anybody like the fact that we're paying Kruger big time bucks and he's not delivering anymore? Is it an off year? Is he dropping back into coverage too much? Other than Kruger, we have nothing to write home about. Too early to grade Orchard, maybe Armonty Bryant is servicable...but anything else?

Defensive Backs - Boy, Haden has NOT looked good this year. Like...at all. NOBODY used to catch td's against him, and now it's open season. Tramon isn't getting younger, and even his play has been slipping. Desir is better than Gilbert, but what is that saying? K'Waun Williams has promise, but he's a consussion away from serious brain damage (ok, maybe not, but he's still had 3 or 4 in less than two years).

Defensive Tackles - Does anybody like what we have? Shelton plays about...what...40% of snaps or something? Anybody been impressed? Too early to tell with him, but god forbid we have a first rounder that knocks our damn socks off.

I'll stop now, because I think everyone gets the point. The point being, we have a serious lack of badasses on offense AND defense. I don't care who you have for a GM, nobody can fix that in one year. What concerns me is how we got WORSE, and not better. Our entire defensive scheme seems just awful. Maybe it's confusing. Maybe it's antiquated. Whatever it is, we can't stop the run, and we can't get to the QB. We are the worst blitzing team in the history of football. Ugh...

@tiamat63 said:

Honestly, I see a lot of Jameis Winston (minus off field stuff) in Cook. This is speculation entirely on my end, but just how I saw it with Winston and see it with Cook. The reason his numbers aren't as good as say Mariota is because he's playing at a higher caliber than the team around him. I watch a decent bit of MSU games and so many times I see a pass that's incomplete and think "that's a play that would have been made in the NFL". Same thing went with Jameis- he'd throw into tight windows or timing that was on the WR more than QB, at least IMO.

@jiggins7919 said:

This is pretty much how I feel as well. I'm actually shocked that they regressed. I was of the belief our D would be fine, and Shanahan was a problem.

Now, it's clear that Shanahan was fine, and his 30 point (or something like that) presentation to Haslem wasn't far off.

If they fire Pettine, coming off of the heels of Shanahan scathing them, this job of Cle Browns HC becomes toxic. We won't lure anybody, at least any "name" coach to come here.

As far as knowing what to do, we all are armchair QBs, but I think they need to simplify everything. Too many defensive packages. Zone reads on the O line (which worked under Shanahan, not with Filippo's running game). Pettine & Haslam need to suck it up, bring Kosar in here, maybe even Marty (as consultants). Why not? It can't hurt at all, and it's clear Farmer's over his head.

1984- we looked like dog crap. They fired Sam, and Marty took over. He simplified the shit out of everything.Of course, the SB was never attained, but it was the longest string of winning seasons we had since the 60s. Kosar, Schottenheimer were a part of it, & I'm sure they can still help, and Haslam has the cash to pay them.

That's my opinion. Save this franchise for goodness sakes. Don't blow it up, just get help from people who CAN help, want to help.

@mark-o said:

Walter is just impressed with Gase because he the Bears offense looked decent against a shitty Chargers team last night. It's the shiny new toy that all babies are attracted to but just like a baby, he'll move on from it soon enough.

Hell, even the Browns put up 30 against that shitty mmChargers defense...so if you want a new coach, just make Flip the coach.

Gase also had Denver as the best O in the league the last couple years.. Now that he's gone from Denver, their offense has faltered.

I'm down with Gase and Cook. Make Kosar the GM