@tour2ma said:

Dansby and Kirksey dont play very fast to my eye

I think the problem is tougher... we lack LBs with speed and power.

@mudfly said:

Yes it is.....(completely)....

But, hey, this thread didnt have a Johnny debate, so at least you fixed that.....

I've read and read. Time for me to voice and I feel it plays on the draft completely.

One Post From the Truth said:

Yes it is.....(completely)....

But, hey, this thread didnt have a Johnny debate, so at least you fixed that.....

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

No one is hating Manziel for throwing picks. They hate him because he can't make simple reads and runs out of the pocket too quickly when receivers are open.

They drafted him. Yes he's a keeper and build the team around him. Plenty of successfully qb's out there that run. No film room is going to give any qb experience. At least try, if not its wasted time.

@canton-mike said:

I agree & am another believer in Johnny. Manziel needs to play, not to show us what he can do, but to actually play & learn & progress from studying his OWN game film. None of those other QBs got where they are without time ON the field.

I would also like to see a stud linebacker, if there is one in this draft. Then I would like to see them play in a viable NFL defense, which we have yet to see.

Mike

You guys have been Browns fans way longer than I so I respect your opinion. But here's what I see..

The Browns overspent on McCown which forced their hand to play him. As for Pettine, he should play Manziel at least he would have an excuse for his losses. Getting no wins not playing Manziel is his own demise which wouldn't be such a bad thing.

One Post From the Truth said:

I agree & am another believer in Johnny. Manziel needs to play, not to show us what he can do, but to actually play & learn & progress from studying his OWN game film. None of those other QBs got where they are without time ON the field.

I would also like to see a stud linebacker, if there is one in this draft. Then I would like to see them play in a viable NFL defense, which we have yet to see.

Mike

"One said:

First of all the bright spots which aren't many. Barnage is a great find along with Benjamin. Need to get the car running before we shop at the store. a nice boring draft. Trade down and stockpile some picks. Draft o line and d line.

I realize it's beating a dead horse but Maziel is going to be a good one. Why is it that any other qb can have growing pains except him? He can't even have a brew without someone up his ass. Oh it's ok that Winston throws a pick but Manziel throws one and he gets treated like dirt. End rant.

No one is hating Manziel for throwing picks. They hate him because he can't make simple reads and runs out of the pocket too quickly when receivers are open.

I realize it's beating a dead horse but Maziel is going to be a good one. Why is it that any other qb can have growing pains except him? He can't even have a brew without someone up his ass. Oh it's ok that Winston throws a pick but Manziel throws one and he gets treated like dirt. End rant.

@mudfly said:

@kvoethe said:

Do we give a middle rounder to a Qb?

Well....we have 3 under contract right now(and thru next year)....so If we do, then someone gets cut....

Actually 4... Shaw is under contract thru 2016 as well.

@kvoethe said:

Time to start looking ahead to next year...

How do you like this upcoming crop of talent?

*This draft will be loaded.

We are putting up points, but we need a decent size WR.

*With Gordon coming back, Im not too worried about the recievers. I wouldnt mind adding another mid grade FA though.

Haden and Gilbert are a mess...

* Im willing to let that position ride

Do we give a middle rounder to a Qb?

*We get rid of Manziel and go QB early. This class is loaded at QB and I almost think we should grab two guys.

Do we need to fix front office before even worrying about the draft?

* No, Im all in on this group. We give em next year, if we dont see improvement, then we go in a different direction.

Since Pet hates JF, do we call up Jerry Jones, who evidently has a chub for him, for a few picks.

*Yes. If we can get a 4th or 5th I consider that a huge win.

What would be some smart moves?

*We absolutely have to hit in this draft. QB is the direction we have to go, because until we find a difference maker there, it doesnt matter what else happens. We also need someone the defense fears on D. I dont care if its a S, ILB, OLB, or DE. We have some decent/good guys at all those positions, but we dont have that guy offenses have to gameplan around.

@kvoethe said: