@gftchris said:

Yep.....think so...

Mike Pettine will be HC

Yep.....think so...

Jim O'Neill will be DC

Yep....actually think he will too.....

Flip will be OC

Yep.....he stays as well....

Manziel will be the starter

Yep....assuming he doesnt crash and burn before then....

Browns will draft a lineman (O/L) in the first round?

Nope...dont see it.....UNLESS we lose both Mack and Schwartz....then, maybe

Browns will draft a WR in the first two days

Nope.....think Farmer is waiting on Gordon.....

Browns will draft a QB in the first round

Nope.....we have 4 under contract....next year will be the same group

Alex Mack will be a Brown

Nope....I think he leaves

Mitchell Schwartz will be a Brown

Yep....I think he stays...

Tashaun Gipson will be a Brown

Nope....

Gary Barnidge will be a Brown

Yep....

Travis Benjamin will be a Brown

Yep...

Dwayne Bowe will be a Brown

Nope.....(not if Pettine stays)

Justin Gilbert will be a Brown

Nope.....(not if Pettine stays)

Joey Bosa will go to the fucking rat birds...

Have no clue where he goes

What do you think will be the case, and what would you do?

About what?

Yes. If Manziel does become our QB, and Gilbert gets out of Pettine's "doghouse" then Farmer's drafts look much better.

Mike Pettine will be HC

No. He can call a good game on D, and he can motivate one side of the ball. He can't manage personnel or an entire game for 4 quarters. He also can't recognize when talent should overcome hard-work on game days.

Jim O'Neil will be DC

Hell No. He has proven he is terrible.

Flip will be OC

Hard to say. A new HC will want his people and his system. If we get another unproven D-minded HC, then I could see Flip saying. Also, if we get a re-tread coach who is a WCO type of guy I could see him staying. But, if Farmer and Haslam try to reel in a quality HC, they can't dictate who the coordinators will be.

Manziel will be the starter

Yes. I say that now, but I hope to see more of him in the final few games. If he continues to play at the level he is at, he will be our starter. If he improves, he will be our starter. If he regresses, then I'm not sure.

Browns will draft a lineman (O/L) in the first round?

No. We drafted two of them last year.

Browns will draft a WR in the first two days?

They probably should. Watching this year, these little guys can't be effective in the red zone and they can't help but getting concussed.

Browns will draft a QB in the first round?

No. Manziel / McCown / Davis. All still under contract next year. If we had the QB play we've had this year, last year, we might've made the playoffs

Alex Mack will be a Brown. Yes. No way he opts out of his contract after his disappointing season. We're stuck with him.

Mitchell Schwartz will be a Brown. Yes. He's arguably the best RT in the game. Pay the man.

Tashaun Gipson will be a Brown. No. Upset about contract situation last year and bails. He hasn't gotten healthy enough this year to make plays.

Gary Barnidge will be a Brown. No. He will ride this season into a huge contract that he doesn't deserve. His blocking is awful.

Travis Benjamin will be a Brown. Absolutely. Our best offensive weapon. We have to keep our own.

Dwayne Bowe will be a Brown. Yes. He's under contract and our new HC will see some use for him.

Justin Gilbert will be a Brown. Yes. He's too athletic not to be. Our new HC and DC will pull out the best of him.

Joey Bosa will go to the fucking rat birds. That would figure

Solid game management? NOPE

Halftime adjustments? NOPE

Developing young talent? NOPE

Competent defensive scheme? NOPE

Stopping the run? NOPE

Pressure on QB's? NOPE

We could go on, but what's the point? Farmer would probably get a similar grade, right? He hasn't missed on everything, but is that blind luck, or skill? How many first round picks do you get before you land one? I don't think it's fair to completely grade Shelton or Erving at this point, but it's safe to say they aren't exactly blowing the doors off. Farmer's standpoint on the value of stud wr's is one of the things that will ultimately cost him his job.

But again, the only solid reason I can think of to keep the coaching staff and Farmer is simply to avoid starting over. Is that a good enough reason to keep the same people that are driving this team in the wrong direction? I honestly don't know. I believe it's safe to say that we as fans can't STAND starting everything over, but this is painful. NFL games have a tendency to be close, and we're getting our asses whipped.

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I still think it’s too early to judge Farmer, the fact our pro bowlers aren’t playing well leads me to think the coaching is currently a bigger issue than the roster. I will judge him and the rookies after two more years, so for now, I think we should to keep him.

Pettine is too stubborn to change the defensive scheme and as pointed out by Mud in his great post, the players don’t know whether they are coming or going this year. I think him and O’Neil need to go but I’m not convinced they will. Jimmy knows how he was viewed by the league after sacking Shurmur and Chud back to back and that’s going to make any decision to fire Pett a lot harder.

We need to draft a RB that doesn’t fall over or go down as soon as he’s tackled and a WR that can be a threat in the red zone. I’d like a linebacker that isn’t slow to the ball as well.

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