@stinkhole said:

Ultimate dream team? Don't think so, rather they were a one year wonder in 1994. After the browns 11-4 season in 1994, the browns went back to being the browns and went 5-11 in 1995.

And throw out the 95 season, the team collapsed when The Move rumors surfaced.

I meant Bill and Ozzie working together. Ozzie took our draft picks and selected Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis with his first picks, not bad, and built a Super Bowl team around them. And then built another SB team. And Bill won four.

If Modell hadn't freaked, those guys could still both be in Cleveland winning championships. We were building something great.

Z

@gftchris said:

They changed the name so that it would not be confused with Cunt.

(I know...my mother grew up in Kent....England)

@gftchris said:

Maybe it is Cent.

@gftchris said:

Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?

I get them confused with a group of acrobats. I know one is a group of cunning stunts, the other is a group of stunning cunts.

@the-gipper said:

Not that I'm aware of. Cunt county? County cunt? Never heard of it.

@gftchris said:

Wales?

@the-gipper said:

No...

@gftchris said:

Cunt is a county in England, no?

@gftchris said:

Yes, things like, "My pussy is far deeper than your thinking." LOL!

@texasag1969 said:

Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.

Signed, Mr. Informed.

WSS

Zombo said:

I call it the "I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Last Night" approach to "teaching us" how we are doing things wrong.

Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.

Zombo said:

I find this laughable. The Browns may have the most knowledgeable football fan base out there, not to mention most loyal.

If I grew up in NE Ohio I'd be a browns fan... and wouldn't want any damn credit. It's demeaning if anything.

You can take pride in your "knowledge" of a game. In reality no fan base has any more "knowledge" than another. Go to any board. Its the same shit, different team... all the way down to bickering amongst themselves.

Now it may be a different story if you're talking knowledge of football history or something like that.

Zombo said:

Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty if Browns fans continue to root for the present Browns, despite their obvious flaws.

And "flaws"? Almost every team has its flaws. You wish they only had flaws. The browns are below having flaws, they are dysfunctional. Like Tony Rizzo said...the situation in Berea is toxic.

Zombo said:

Our frustration level cannot be measured. But neither can our loyalty. And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ... like we haven't been watching how the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc. have been running their franchises for years ... like WE don't get it.

I rarely post in any of the threads, except when the talk involves the Steelers or their fans.

Zombo said:

The next season, Modell pulled the rug from under Cleveland, gutted the fanbase and left the staff in limbo, crushing the soul of that team. He took Newsome with him to Baltimore where he (Newsome) has won two Super Bowls. Belichick (Somebody check my spelling, I'm not real familiar with him) was fired by Modell, in Baltimore, and went on to win four Super Bowls himself.

We had the ultimate dream team assembled and it was broken up by Modell's greed.

Zombo said:

The fans fought for the franchise, like no fanbase has ever done before or since, and their hard work and loyalty was rewarded with a reboot of the original Browns franchise.

Zombo said:

But the NFL rushed the comeback, did not give the browns sufficient time to assemble staffs and scouting years in advance like they did with Carolina, Jacksonville and, later Houston.

And then it ... through three ownership changes, it has just been one disaster after another.

Zombo said:

But it's not because Cleveland fans don't know what it takes to win. The owners have failed us with their hirings, their hirings have failed us with their draft picks, and Bill Belichick is not walking through that door, Ozzie Newsome is not walking through that door, but there is no reason to believe it can't be turned around under the current ownership. He's got the money, he's go the motivation, and someday it will click ... the right person will walk through the door and success will trickle down to all phases of the franchise and it won't be because some faggy Steeler fan or Bills fan/wannabe Patriots fan told this long-suffering franchise what it takes to make a winner.

He's exactly what you need.

Did I say "you"? lol...I meant your team.

Zombo said:

You don't make changes just to make changes ... but you don't stay patient just to stay patient either. But what you certainly DO do ... is let Year 2 play out.

Belichick, Newsome and Saban had three losing seasons before 1994.

Zombo said:

We've got six football games to win ... let's go out and win them.

@texasag1969 said:

Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?

@westside-steve said:

Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.

Zombo said:

We didn't fire Belichick, you dumb cunt.

Zombo

Hey come on, this is a family forum watch your language.

That should have read "you misinformed cunt."

WSS

@gftchris said:

Or give him a $12m contract.

@texasag1969 said:

Or give him a $12m contract.

@nickers said:

Wow, nine years and only 5990 posts? You are underproducing and in the proud tradition of the Browns, we're gonna have to cut you.

@mudfly said:

While true that they have nothing of value to offer me or the board.....I do engage them because I have something of value to offer them: the truth, the facts......and a frequent swift kick in the ass.....or beyond.

Zombo said:

Great post......and exactly how Ive felt about all the shitbags all along.....

Because they live in a town with a better team, they somehow feel they have a hand in that or know more because of it....

And, after winning and still feeling hollow, it's important for them to gloat in an effort to get more "feel good" out of it....

Thats the main reason I try not to engage with trolls and opposing fans....they've got nothing of value to offer me or the board...

Nothing....

I call it the "I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Last Night" approach to "teaching us" how we are doing things wrong.

Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.

I find this laughable. The Browns may have the most knowledgeable football fan base out there, not to mention most loyal.

Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty if Browns fans continue to root for the present Browns, despite their obvious flaws.

The guys that said "fuck it, I can't root for this shitshow anymore" ... they aren't here anymore. What you have left is loyal fans who remember when things were done right in Cleveland, and how proud they were of that team .. and young guys who have never experienced a winner, but stay committed every year, and they get up for the draft, and the young players, and grab on to something to believe in and some hope for the future.

We enjoy debating where the team went wrong and how to fix it ... but we got this, we don't need "advice" on how to be a fan and be told what "we" are doing wrong.

Our frustration level cannot be measured. But neither can our loyalty. And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ... like we haven't been watching how the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc. have been running their franchises for years ... like WE don't get it.

1994 the Cleveland Browns went 11-5 and advanced to the second round of the Playoffs by beating Bill Parcels' Patriots.

Ozzie Newsome was in charge of personnel, Bill Belichick was head coach and Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator.

That's as good as it gets.

Also on the staff: Scott Pioli, Thomas Dimitroff, Phil Savage, Jim Schwartz, and Eric Manigini

Does it sound like we were building something special?

The next season, Modell pulled the rug from under Cleveland, gutted the fanbase and left the staff in limbo, crushing the soul of that team. He took Newsome with him to Baltimore where he (Newsome) has won two Super Bowls. Belichick (Somebody check my spelling, I'm not real familiar with him) was fired by Modell, in Baltimore, and went on to win four Super Bowls himself.

We had the ultimate dream team assembled and it was broken up by Modell's greed.

The fans fought for the franchise, like no fanbase has ever done before or since, and their hard work and loyalty was rewarded with a reboot of the original Browns franchise.

But the NFL rushed the comeback, did not give the browns sufficient time to assemble staffs and scouting years in advance like they did with Carolina, Jacksonville and, later Houston.

And then it ... through three ownership changes, it has just been one disaster after another.

But it's not because Cleveland fans don't know what it takes to win. The owners have failed us with their hirings, their hirings have failed us with their draft picks, and Bill Belichick is not walking through that door, Ozzie Newsome is not walking through that door, but there is no reason to believe it can't be turned around under the current ownership. He's got the money, he's go the motivation, and someday it will click ... the right person will walk through the door and success will trickle down to all phases of the franchise and it won't be because some faggy Steeler fan or Bills fan/wannabe Patriots fan told this long-suffering franchise what it takes to make a winner.

You don't make changes just to make changes ... but you don't stay patient just to stay patient either. But what you certainly DO do ... is let Year 2 play out.

Belichick, Newsome and Saban had three losing seasons before 1994.

We've got six football games to win ... let's go out and win them.

Zombo