@cdl15 said:

You may see a new OC arrangement there next year. This two headed monster does not work.

I usually don't agree with the calling out coaching staff and all. But since I was thinking the exact same thing watching that bullshit I give the kid a free pass for simply holding the coaching staff accountable. Because somebody has too.

@miktoxic said:

I did. I'm actually going to rewatch some of it tonight to great sadness.

I don't believe JT has been given the opportunity to show those attributes this year. He's gone from serious injury, to backup, then starter, to suspended, then starter.

He's had moments where the offense has been far more fluid with him than Cardale. However if you're main beef is the overthrow to Braxton on the post, then you'll have to get over that. Hard to put one on the money when you're releasing at almost the exact same time as being crunched by a backer.

edit: Fact is, the personnel on the offense have been the same corps from last year. Yet they've underachieved significantly. The variable in this equation has been the changes in coaching staff and QB's coach. I don't find that to be a coincidence. Same thing I believe with the Brownies.

my answer would have been feed elliot cuz he couldn't throw for shit.

@miktoxic said:

5th in Heisman finish, B1G record 44 TD passes, OSU record for total offense in a season are not the hallmarks of a 'sucky' QB.

@miktoxic said:

Toxies, am I the right guy to give advice on being more positive? Just kidding my man - let er rip. Don't hold that frustration hostage...

@tiamat63 said:

no, he really sucks as a QB. will never get a glimpse in the NFL as one and couldn't hit a wide-open receiver to save his life but for to get stuffed on an option roll-out.

he sucks. cardale sucks.

@miktoxic said:

Can't tell if sarcasm?

THAT was fucking embarassing.

@mudfly said:

I agree completely on Zeke. Dont want that guy at all now. He's the kind of back that would quit on you if he wasnt getting enough touches or they were losing. He proved to alot of NFL teams that he has a shitty character. It was very interesting to see what some of the former Buckeyes were saying about him declaring for the draft already.

@tour2ma said:

You seriously misread my post...I saw a lot of bad play last nite.

Urban did what all good coaches do, and that is shoulder the blame.

The most disappointing thing was Zeke's comments after the game.

@mudfly said:

Well said Mud all the way down to Zeke, whom I was REALLY disappointed in mostly for how he handled his frustration. Urban Meyer has always praised Zeke for being unselfish to the extent that as gifted as a RB as he is - he's even more special in how much he cherishes the opportunity to block people with an unparalleled ability to do that.

I still like Zeke - I just wish he handled his frustration better after the game. All that said, I'm like like Bart Simpson or Eddie Haskell giving advice on behavior etiquette and who's kidding who with that?

That weather dictated the game plans unless anyone thinks Urban Meyer was actually pumped to be 1 dimensional against an opponent like Michigan State. We always hear about how wonderful Nick Saban and the SEC is when nobody in that allegedly superior conference that never seems to challenge Bama. If Saban ever dominated the Big 10 as easily as he's been able to dominate the SEC - he might have wanted to stay. Tell you, compare and contrast the difference between D'Antonio and Saban up at Michigan State.One guy transcended the program while only had 1 or 2 seasons he wanted to remember. BTW the powerhouses the SEC played yesterday beginning with Florida, who needed overtime against Happy Hour State and GA who also played a game too close for comfort vrs GA Southern while Bama played against Myrtle Beach Tech - what a way to prove how invincible that SEC is. Watch Bama get in to the final 4 over Sparty because as usual - noone in that conference is capable of beating Saban. How impressive. That's squids cheered when Ohio State lost because they know the score they aren't capable of changing.

I give Michigan State credit because they earned it.

I saw a lot of bad play last nite.

@tour2ma said:

Because a coach has never stepped up and taken the heat for a team?

It's a joint effort between the players and coaching staff, they share the credit/blame for wins and losses.

@canton-dawg said:

The coach will get blamed regardless.

Because a coach has never stepped up and taken the heat for a team?

@browns149 said:

He's just doing what good leaders and winners do......

And Zeke?......just doing what whiners and losers do.......Zeke is the guy who flips the board when you get all the properties....

Finger pointing and placing blame never fixed anything......if nothing else, a loss is the time to pull together as a team and work to improve.....but basically saying "I quit" the FIRST time things dont go your way?.....

My whole view of Zeke has taken a 180.....while Urban is still the guy I thought he was.....

@mudfly said:

HA....Honestly, this is hilarious to read......and shows that, no matter what, some of you will bitch about anything....

23 straight wins.....a National Championship....and THE top winning coach in NCAA D1 history.....and you all go on the attack after one loss....and blame it on the Coach too....

Hey...maybe we should just fire Urban along with Pettine, Farmer and Oneil......

Based upon what Ive read here the last few weeks, it doesnt even sound like anyone thinks "Players" have anything to do with winning and losing anymore.....its ALL about the coach and his scheme....smfh