@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

it was me dickhead.

yeah you want to know the difference? they drafted cam newton and we drafted manziel. your boy manziel. when he out of the league in 2 years will you be puffing your chest out and acting like you never liked the pick? mr. hillis. mr. holmgren. mr. weeden. mr. TR.

LOL.

@douche-nozzle said:

Gruden garanteed that Tebow would be a star in the NFL. Gruden is a dipshit!

Dipshit that built one Super Bowl team and then won a Super Bowl with another guy's team.

So there's that.

We've never been in that game, ever by the way.

50th anniversary.

Z

@mudfly said:

Exactly, I love that show. The Kardashians are lucky that show isn't year round or there would finally be something competing with those brats in the ratings.

@flyingfooldoug said:

I enjoyed what you had to say. Gruden always gets me laughing and we can certainly use some comic relief this year.

@flugel said:

Very true. I LIKE the guy and find him very entertaining. My comment was aimed more at people that over-celebrate his heroics with young QBs.

I hear ya. I wasn't trying to be critical of your post. More like piling on...lol

@flyingfooldoug said:

Very true. I LIKE the guy and find him very entertaining. My comment was aimed more at people that over-celebrate his heroics with young QBs.

@flugel said:

It would be interesting to see who would win an election in Ohio between Gruden and THE Joey Bosa after they're done walking on water.

Just out of curiosity, what young QB did Gruden ever make a star out of in Oakland or Tampa? Seems to me he counted on veteran QBs in their mid 30s like Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson. I say this because I always read and hear what a genius he is with young QBs.

@hunter48 said:

It would be interesting to see who would win an election in Ohio between Gruden and THE Joey Bosa after they're done walking on water.

Just out of curiosity, what young QB did Gruden ever make a star out of in Oakland or Tampa? Seems to me he counted on veteran QBs in their mid 30s like Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson. I say this because I always read and hear what a genius he is with young QBs.

When Tampa won the Superbowl, 4 of their TDs came from their defense if memory serves me right. Interestingly enough, their opponent didn't make the Superbowl until the first year after Gruden departed. I know some will be chomping at the bits to remind me that Gruden was responsible for 2 different offenses in that 1 Superbowl. Fair enough; but that didn't stop Monte Kiffen's Defense from outscoring both of them.

I think Chris Berman wipes his ass with $6.5mm.

@wargograw said:

Reportedly, he's one of, if not the highest paid broadcaster/announcer at ESPN. That's the beauty of the gig he's got. He's perfectly happy to keep broadcasting games but if the right situation comes along he has the out to take the HC job somewhere. Is our job the right situation for him?? Who knows...maybe it is. He's going to want full control and can't blow him out in 2 seasons like everyone else.

@clevfan4life said:

There's a difference between being on the "hotseat" for having a .500 season and what we currently have.

Someone also tried to equate Mike Pettine to Ron Rivera the other day, talking about how Carolina almost fired him and now look at them. The situations aren't even close.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

and yet hes somehow on the hotseat every yea cause .500 aint good enough for cincy fans

@clevfan4life said:

Marvin Lewis has also only had 3 sub-.500 seasons in his entire career.

@bbedward said:

Not in the case of a coach like Gruden. He doesn't want this kind of debacle on his record. Look at some of our past hires that were considered by the league as promising young talent. Mangini has barely been heard of, same with Chud. Isn't SHurm a coordinator somewhere?

@clevfan4life said:

They're probably cool with getting canned 1-2 years in, they're still paid for the 4-5 years anyway

Inconceivable how some of you don't understand that. You think we can just recycle coaching staffs every 1-2 years. Marvin Lewis has been on the hotseat with that fanbase for like a decade. Reason the Bengals are top of the North right now is that ownership doesn't give a shit what feckless fans want.

And, yes, once asked, leaks tend to increase exponentially...

@tour2ma said:

Yes and No.....for lateral moves you need permission.....and promoting a position coach to Coordinator, you need permission...

But ANY coach getting PROMOTED to Hc....can talk w/o permission.....anytime.....

So what are the rules for NFL teams allowing their assistant coaches to talk to other teams about jobs? The rule is pretty simple. A team can’t block an assistant coach, including a coordinator, from interviewing for and accepting a job as a head coach. All other moves, including from assistant coach to coordinator, can be blocked.

Obviously, if we ask for permission, while Pettine is still here,,,,then that would get out and create bad PR....but it is allowed....

@mudfly said:

And....if you want.....you can even contact employed Coaches to discuss HC jobs, provided they aren't already HC's.......

Need current team's permission to talk to any NFL coach under contract...

Came across a fairly interesting article on searching for HCs and GMs...

On the Hunt for Greatness

When teams begin firing coaches and front office staff—as the Colts, Lions and Titans have already done—headhunters like Jed Hughes are called in to help them fill the positions. Inside the search for the next great coach or GM

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/11/05/mmqb-talking-football-coaches-fired-jed-hughes-nfl-headhunter