@douche-nozzle said:

Underachieving? If he had come to the Browns, you would have had one of the best LB's youve had in a while and you would love him. Becausd he did what he had to in order to avoid going to a dysfunctional team you all act like he's a bum. it's funny......

An LB that rode the backs of Stabbin' Ray and Suggs. Compare his stats to D'Qwell Jackson (you know the guy that we let walk) and tell me "you would love him". Delusional much?

@flyingfooldoug said:

Scooter

@douche-nozzle said:

It's fascinating how many of you get upset when people speak the truth about the Browns. It would be like a politician getting upset over politician jokes.

Who's getting upset? We're speaking the truth about an underachieving LB who acts like he dodged a bullet by not coming to Cleveland. Truth is....nobody here wanted him in the first place. Irony?

@the-cysko-kid said:

That's his problem. But acting as if browns fans shouldn't bitch about the shit sandwich the team is serving up is ridiculous.

That was more my point than anything else. After losing 37-3 today How can anyone support these idiots? I guess I'm a fan but in spirit only. It's impossible for anyone with intelligence to support this farce of a franchise..a once proud franchise with rich history and tradition...

@baconhound said:

The bigger problem though is, and the reason i made this thread, is that Bart Scott really kind of ain't nobody but yet that day that headline was up every time i logged into MSN. It's about every 1-2 years now that the NFL spends the offseason clowning the Browns. And anyone that has "something" to say about the Browns will get retwatted or whatever. How we've gotten to this point is what infuriates me. We'll let another coach go and this offseason will be "brutal"...mark my words. Unless Jimmy has the next guy, and a big name, in the bag prior to firing Pettine.....if it's another regime change followed by on offseason of begging with the eventual "beggars can't be chosers" 11:59 naming of a HC.....omg we're gonna get fried. Stock up on the paper bags you fans that go to games next year.

Retard shoulda thought of that before saying he had to hide......you coulda just stayed home......right Bart?

@nickers said:

just call him Jack Ass!

@canton-dawg said:

Fart Snott

Oh goodness don't want to see what that looks like. Lol!

@flyingfooldoug said:

Lol...or bart scat?

Barf Stats

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Fart Scoot

Lol...or bart scat?

@tour2ma said:

Yeah , I remember My sisters wedding rehearsal party there...2001,.. OMG.. we got toasted on wine... and had more of the same wine at My sisters reception.. Buehler Wines it was.. great stuff..

@nickers said:

Gavi's is now Sarah's in Pepper Pike/Solon I believe.. I went there last January.. Great food. But I like more of the Mom & Pop type places like Petty's or Davitino's... I grew up on the real deal Italian food.

I have to remember that then. Gavi's was run by the Gromelski's. Wife's name was Mary and she was of Italian heritage. Pretty sure the husband was not.

Their conversion of the old power house in Willoughby was inspired. And the great food was prepared by authentic Italian Chefs.

Rang in 2000 at their New Year's Eve party. May have been the last time I was there.

@mudfly said:

Exactly...

@tour2ma said:

Gavi's is now Sarah's in Pepper Pike/Solon I believe.. I went there last January.. Great food. But I like more of the Mom & Pop type places like Petty's or Davitino's... I grew up on the real deal Italian food.

@tour2ma said:

Mud, could be a restaurant that went undefeated for three decades... ;)I can think of a few I'd like to have back:

• Gavi's - Willoughby. Simply the best Italian restaurant this side of the Atlantic, closed as a public restaurant years ago but still did parties.
• Kiefer's Tavern - Best Schnitzel I've ever had. Last time I was there Browns were MNF hosts and the car's tank got syphoned...
• Benny Shapiro's - Brookpark and Pearl... best Rubin on the West side and great Matzo Ball soup... tried to franchise and failed.
• Glenn's Restaurant - across from Deconis Hospital. Simple, home-cooked fare done right.
• The Stage House - Brecksville served family style IIRC.
• The York Inn - York and Pleasant Valley... where I learned as a child to love breaded veal cutlets... the Yankee chicken fried steak... the American schnitzel.

Are you trying to say that we have a brat steamed in beer here?.....lol

I can think of a few I'd like to have back:

• Gavi's - Willoughby. Simply the best Italian restaurant this side of the Atlantic, closed as a public restaurant years ago but still did parties.
• Kiefer's Tavern - Best Schnitzel I've ever had. Last time I was there Browns were MNF hosts and the car's tank got syphoned...
• Benny Shapiro's - Brookpark and Pearl... best Rubin on the West side and great Matzo Ball soup... tried to franchise and failed.
• Glenn's Restaurant - across from Deconis Hospital. Simple, home-cooked fare done right.
• The Stage House - Brecksville served family style IIRC.
• The York Inn - York and Pleasant Valley... where I learned as a child to love breaded veal cutlets... the Yankee chicken fried steak... the American schnitzel.

@westside-steve said:

Gotta agree....

@pumpkin-eater said:

I used to be a Browns fan. Not so much anymore. I'm not a delusional idiot like yourself who pretends you are some kind of better fan or person because you are rooting for and staying loyal to the worst franchise in the NFL. Let's say you had a favorite restaurant and the owners closed it down because they retired. The food was great and you loved the atmosphere. Then someone comes along and offers the old owners enough cash and buys the business from the old owners and reopens the restaurant...only now the food is horrible, the atmosphere canned and its just not any fun anymore. You're one of the morons who would keep going to that crappy restaurant and eating the same shit sandwich over and over again expecting it to taste better next time.

I think you are confusing patronage with fandom.....the restaurant analogy doesnt really fit, because people arent "fans" of restaurants in the same way that they are fans of sport.....they are patrons of restaurants....and when the product is bad, patrons stop patronizing......pretty simple, really....

And, based upon your comment.. "I used to be...." tells me you were just a patron of the Browns who should've moved on already....

Fans have a right to bitch...thats what being a fan is.....but once you become a hater, you have shed yourself of being a true fan.......because, by definition, a fan is supportive......and many fans choose to be more supportive than others....and they are not dumb asses for doing that...

Because the Browns have been with me for over 40 years now, I think of the team more like a lifelong friend or even a child......so here is MY analogy......

My girl was an excellent gymnast and I was her biggest fan.....cheered her on when she won and offered support when she lost.....lived and died with her at every meet....she was amazing, so usually I had a lot to cheer about....but she also had some break downs and bad competitions where she missed routines that she usually nailed.....bother me?...sure.....but I didnt get angry and hate her(duh)....i never booed her......I never felt like she "owed" me victories or let "me" down when she lost(even though I had invested a ton of $ and time in her).......and, even if she had been terrible....I would have still been her fan, supported her and never would have abandoned that...no matter how good or bad....

And I could apply this same thinking to a friend, acquaintance, family member....etc.....

So....to me THAT is fandom.....supporting & following something you care about.....and not having the expectation that you are owed something just because you do that......

And if you have the expectation that you ARE owed something, because of your support or $ spent, then you are back to really just being a patron.....

so , in my world, fans always support their team.....while patrons only support their team when there is a proper return for $ or time......