@stillmotion said:

... but in my opinion, we should of put bowe and gilbert out there earlier instead of leaving them in the doghouse and see what they had.

FUCK!!!

Sorry... couldn't hold it in any longer...

Also could not get the font to be even larger...

@mudfly said:

I agree, but i was just making fun of the fact that they played bademosi over gilbert earlier in the year, and that they played marlon moore and jennings over bowe last game. I understand they also played special teams, but in my opinion, we should of put bowe and gilbert out there earlier instead of leaving them in the doghouse and see what they had.

@mudfly said:

Bademosi is practicing really hard, we should start him. And the night cashier who works for Speedway in Strongsville has a lot of "heart". Let's start him, and hopefully he can execute O'Neil's scheme and shut down the 49ers.

@stillmotion said:

Zero if its up to Kruger....

And zero, unless we get someone to cover some receivers for more than a second or 2.....

But we got Vince Mayle the next year!! *groan*

@hoorta said:

LOL! We had a little saying in Vietnam (and I did not do this), kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

Honestly...got no issue with firing Oneill AND Flip.....but I also know that the new coaches will not do much better with the same roster.....we might go from 2-14 to 4-12, but well still suck until we get some players and some difference makers...

There isnt one.....NOT ONE....star player or difference maker on our defense or offense........not one......yet its all on the coaches????

And before you call one year wonders Barnidge and Benji stars......they're not.....so the same applies here....

Brilliant assessment.....can em all.....then recycle.....then lose some more.......

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The players deserver a hell of a lot better than this HC, defensive coaching staff...

and a lack of even one elite wr and power rb. Haslam is losing ground the more he hasn't fired the coaches yet.

The offense lacks skill players - I'm still not ready to throw out Flip and co. out the window.

But Oneil should have been fired after the game yesterday. He sucks, he's an arrogant ass, and need to go.

I do wonder what the hell is up with the screwed up waste of time in crucial half or game ending situations.

What the hell?

Surely, that isn't Flip making that happen.

Not that it'd make much difference with an interim DC, but would have been worth a try.

@flugel said:

I didn't think I'd ever see a more nauseating defense here than Bob Slowik's until this one. I keep hearing/reading we need continuity while I'm watching a staff that has lost this team. Travis Benjamin and Gary Barnidge are going to be FAs next year. When one of them says he'll stay if we have the RIGHT staff, think of why he felt compelled to say such a thing. If we had the right staff he would have never said it.

Good stuff, Flugs... don't agree with every line of it, but can appreciate it. The bit I selected I think may well be the determining factor for the staff, either individually or as a whole.

Farmer will be (probably is already) talking to key FAs... Gilbert on D and Schwartz on O for sure, IMO. If he is getting any reluctance from agents about clients lack of faith in the staff, then their fate is sealed.

@mudfly said:

I do know none of this was an issue last season and we are running the same defense.....so for NO ONE to have issues with Oneill or the system last year, and then suddenly everyone does???.....doesnt make sense to me....

None the less, I think there are 2 things at play here......1) the system seems complex and the players seem to not get it.......2) and many of the players just aren't playing well......and you only have to watch them to see that.....

So....while I think it's really on the players, I also think the coaches should see this and, basically, dumb down the defense. You hate to say that, because you would hope you had good enough players......but if its too complicated or the players cant do it...then you have to adjust and make it easy for them......

Did I dumb that down enough?

Not quite..

Lions players had been praising the slimming of their defensive game plan. Basically the staff chucked all the calls that did not work. "Freed" the players to make plays out of alignments in which they were comfortable. Worked great for about two weeks. I wonder... if we threw out everything that has not worked, would anything be left?

It is possible that intelligence, or lack of it, is the barrier. Also possible that the teaching is poor. And of course any combination could be deadly. But after two years you'd think "the system" should be engrained enough to allow players to play.

And there were complaints last year... almost entirely around stopping the run. Ah... the good ole days...

@flugel said:

This is where I'm coming from. To quote those that always say this - what kind of scheme is good if it can't adapt to the personnel at hand?

Love the adaptation theme... I'd add the questions:

- what has Pet added to the system he learned from/ ran for Rex?

- what has Jim added to the system he learned from/ runs for Pet?

Kuharich 2016!

@canton-dawg said:

I don't want Farmer selecting our first overall draft pick.

We would be better off with a visually impaired orangutan, blindfolded, in a dark room, throwing darts over his shoulder at a spinning dartboard.

The blindfolding sounds a bit like overkill.

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We would be better off with a visually impaired orangutan, blindfolded, in a dark room, throwing darts over his shoulder at a spinning dartboard.

@flugel said:

We have more talent than 1999, and are playing even worse, if that's possible.

@mudfly said:

Right...Jim was terrible today.....missing tackles, not covering his receivers, getting pushed all over the place at the line......it was ugly...

Flip was just as bad....didnt score, gave up sacks, couldnt block a lick.....just turrble.....

I get the lynch mob is ready and Im not getting in the way....go ahead and fire em all......but dont get all yakked up when a lot of these same guys still suck with the new coach....

So are you saying fire Farmer? Pettine is even more clueless than old Pat Shur-loss when it comes to clock management.

I'm getting pretty close to the Nuke it all strategy.

@stillmotion said:

he had hartline and a practice squad WR while bowe and pryor were inactive. Also had crowell whos averaging like 2 YPC running it, dipshit erving blocking, and a QB we picked up a few weeks ago Starting.

What do you expect out of him? I like Pettine and Farmer's "whoever practices the hardest and does what we say will play" method. Maybe it works in high school, but we paid Bowe 9 million to sit on the sidelines while we let Marlon Moore and Darius Jennings run wild?

I don't care how you polish that turd, it's still a turd.

@canton-dawg said:

he had hartline and a practice squad WR while bowe and pryor were inactive. Also had crowell whos averaging like 2 YPC running it, dipshit erving blocking, and a QB we picked up a few weeks ago Starting.

What do you expect out of him? I like Pettine and Farmer's "whoever practices the hardest and does what we say will play" method. Maybe it works in high school, but we paid Bowe 9 million to sit on the sidelines while we let Marlon Moore and Darius Jennings run wild?

@canton-dawg said:

Flip's offense has scored 10 points or less in 5 games so far this season.

He's certainly not blameless either.

While I agree but I think having three different starting qbs doesn't help either.

He's certainly not blameless either.

@mudfly said:

Maybe coming to the crossroads that the challenge here was much bigger than a Rookie Head Coach with Rookie Coordinators.