@forevercleveland said:

errrr, that is why we keep sucking..the stoolers more or less have been retooling the last couple yrs. me thinks they are a defense draft away from being a fucking incredible dynasty. As far as the clowns, heh heh heh, well, they continue to be clowns....and the laughing stock of not only football, but all professional sports...

@tour2ma said:

Touche...not sure how the writer can call himself as objective, LOL. I guess since he said Pettine should get another season, he thinks he's being "objective".

I guess I like the piece because it kind of mirrors how I feel. What I'd REALLY love to see would be for our Browns to somehow gut one of these last games out and get another win. I know, I know...it would screw up our draft position. But screw that. I want to see us get an upset. Preferably at home against the Steelers, but I'm thinking the Chiefs game is the one we can grab. Not that I'd bet on it, but just how I feel. The Seattle game is pretty much about as bleak as it gets. Their about #1 against the rush, so our recent ground game triumph will be short lived. Johnny will be in for the test of his young life. That place is LOUD, that defense is legit, and they're scoring a shitload of points.

@jiggins7919 said:

This might already be posted, but it's a pretty damn good read.

http://www.dawgpoundnation.com/2015/12/17/an-objective-take-on-who-the-browns-should-fire-and-who-they-should-keep/

Not sure how good, but it was funny... starting with being an "objective" opinion piece.

@jiggins7919 said:

"Outside of Bitonio, no other Farmer draft pick has earned a starting job that didn't come from a previous injury. West, a 2nd rounder, and Mayble, a 4th rounder, are no longer with the team." Ugh..

http://www.dawgpoundnation.com/2015/12/17/an-objective-take-on-who-the-browns-should-fire-and-who-they-should-keep/

Jim O'Neil status - "Fire him two months ago." LMAO

This article calls him the worst coach in the entire league. Ouch. While there is no quanitative way to measure this, I know that many fans and analysts have bemoaned O'Neil's continued employment. Loyalty is a good quality, but loyalty to a poor coordinator can cost Pettine his job.

@unsympathetic said:

"{Nice turn for this talented but troubled player. I have always said that those with immense talent, skill and creativity are often the most troubled and tortured people. Different side if this guy we never knew. Hope he makes it back to the field but more importantly, hope he makes it in life, straight-up. Many times, we have to fail at one thing before we find our path in another. Who knows what this may bring? Nice story..."

That's from the link- I liked his photoshop of my favorite villain Pete Rose- he does have some talent there. How many artists (painters, musicians) were druggies? A lot? Goes with the territory.

In Josh's case, no news regarding drug issues is good news. Man, if he can hang out in clubs and not drink, I'm impressed.

Things aren't going to get better.

This franchise is a joke...

@flyingfooldoug said:

You Sir, have earned a beer and a smile

@flyingfooldoug said:

Who fucked us all.

@go-losers said:

That's like arguing if the chicken or the egg came first. How do we even know about these guys when the Browns never give them a chance to develop.

No argument...it was the rooster!

@the-gipper said:

That's like arguing if the chicken or the egg came first. How do we even know about these guys when the Browns never give them a chance to develop.

@tour2ma said:

@the-gipper said:

Yea, we need a POFO......and one who probably also care whether or not these two can get along....as one or both would be gone.

Or he'd mediate their disagreements thus ensuring communication is occurring and use their competitiveness to advantage.

The idea that people who do not "get along" can't work together is ludicrous. Add that the source of the tension is the disappointment of their combined output and each has a stake in the perception of that combined result, and the strain is understandable.

@go-losers said:

So......your way is to stick with guys that are totally inept in their jobs. Check.

Gordon for All-Pro 2016.

I really don't think anyone who's an out-of-control partyer would do anything that link presents.. In poker, that's a tell.

@richiswhere said:

but he was Haslem choice and no one else's

Wasn't Farmer assistant GM when Pettine was hired?

Along that same line of a disconnect.

This clip from Mike & Mike on ESPN says it perfectly -----> http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14311216

This state the Browns have been in since 1999 is not a player issue, IT"S THE WHOLE DAMN FRANCHISE. Three different owners who weren't equipped enough to manage a Burger King, 7 different GMs, 8 Head Coaches, 24 starting quarterbacks....Dear God!!!

And people wonder why we can't get to .500, why we can't beat Pittsburgh. Newsflash: the Steelers are worlds apart on how to run a successful sports franchise, so are Baltimore and Cincinnati.

So when people ask when will things start changing for the Browns my response is...When things stop changing with the Browns (i.e. consistency)

@nickers said:

Well.. If you believe some reports... That Pet and Farmer have "Issues".. Then it makes sense not to keep them together..Pet was not Farmers choice to start with.....

@tour2ma said:

Yea, we need a POFO......and one who probably also care whether or not these two can get along....as one or both would be gone.

@tour2ma said:

Well.. If you believe some reports... That Pet and Farmer have "Issues".. Then it makes sense not to keep them together..Pet was not Farmers choice to start with.....

Maybe the guy who was a proponent of installing a POFO?

@tour2ma said:

Who knows, who cares.....they have co-existed together for a mutual end: To have the Browns suck. Mission Accomplished.

Now get rid of them.