@gftchris said:

RB flexed wide lets a DB on him therefore giving you a mismatch for your offense against LB's and safeties.

It's similar to a set my team ran this summer. We had a 'nebraska' full house call, however switching out the FB for another TE, had an audible to a 5 man empty set and got great looks against backers.

Tip of the hat to San Fran. While Brady is right, you ask how you got the matchup, I just don't think he really put things into context. It's about as close to a 2 high man under look you'll get from O'Neil.

@gftchris said:

Thats my take.....

They brought these guys out and ran....ran again....ran again....(7 times).....

Then....blammo.....5 receivers at the line....

And....honestly.....they got 7 yards cause Orchard spun the guy around......and yet we are still discussing it......why?....

Brady Quinn.....

I guess we should acknowledge a good play call from their OC?

The 2 TE's are inside and covered by Dansby and Robertson......(Kruger is lined up to rush the passer)......

And then you have the WR in the slot with Orchard......

Note: Whitner and Gipson are playing back and splitting the LB coverage.......and the LB's are lined up outside their respective players, trying to funnel them inside where there is safety help waiting.....

@mudfly said:

Since you have the play up, would you mind pointing out who is whom and where they started? Because if they're in 12 personal, I wouldn't expect a WR in the slot, and a RB/TE outside. Is the outside receiver on their left/our right a WR?

@tiamat63 said:

They did come in with 12 personnel and had run on 7 of 10 first downs....many with the same personnel group...

I cant get my screen shot to load(says that extension doesnt work here)....but here it is in small form....hopefully you can see it....

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@browns149 said:

I would guess Jon Gruden knows more about defenses then ANYONE on this forum. Being an offensive coach means he studies defenses. And when he says the Browns defense is playing something he doesn't know what it was, I will take his word for it

Almost everyone on here thinks Bernie can pick apart a defense. But he's an offensive guy so what does he know

Now this not necessarily directed at Browns149 but more at every one who has brought up the Gruden commit on not knowing what defense the Browns were playing. It was sarcasm if you remember the play the Ravens receiver was so wide open it was ridiculous and while I'm yelling at the TV "what the fuck kind of defense was that", Gruden was being a little more kind with his words.

@mudfly said:

See, this is why I asked for a screen shot.

If the opposition comes out in '12' personnel then You're probably going to find us in something along of the lines of our base defense.

If our Dline and LB play was where most of us would want it to be - then you'd find many coordinators also look at using a big nickel in those situations. Especially in today's NFL where inline TE's just don't have the heart to block (most of the time)

@tour2ma said:

When cornered... attack!

Two questions:

When was the last time Gruden devised a game plan?

In that time have Defenses remained stagnant?

Generally, yeah. There are new wrinkles added week-by-week, sure. But in general that last defensive "breakthrough" was really the Tampa 2. There was a cool spot on this exact topic probably two years ago, actually.

It was stated Gruden doesn't know defenses, because he was an offensive coach. And that's false.

And I agreed that Gruden was smart for keeping Kiffin.

How is that attacking anyone?

@browns149 said:

I would guess Jon Gruden knows more about defenses then ANYONE on this forum. Being an offensive coach means he studies defenses. And when he says the Browns defense is playing something he doesn't know what it was, I will take his word for it

Almost everyone on here thinks Bernie can pick apart a defense. But he's an offensive guy so what does he know

@browns149 said:

Of course Gruden was smart to keep Kiffin as def cord in Tampa. If Gruden came here do you think he's keep O'neil? No way

When cornered... attack!

Two questions:

When was the last time Gruden devised a game plan?

In that time have Defenses remained stagnant?

@mudfly said:

@the-gipper said:

It wasn't a "passing" down, as Ive already said several times......it was 1st down, deep in their own territory and they had run personnel in.....2 te's and RB.....which is gonna be a run the high percentage of the time.....you dont normally play nickle personnel against 2 TE's and a RB....

and Orchard only had him for the first few yards, with Gipson right there to take the route.....

Again...there were 5 receivers at the line(and an empty backfield)).....we defensed it to keep the pass underneath and not allow a big gain....and it worked....

yet, somehow, it didnt?......

@mudfly said:

So, what are the cornerbacks and safeties? Potted plants? The opponents best WR probably being covered by a LB only is absurd.

Should they be giving help coverage? Sure....but not primary coverage.

They should be covering RBs coming out on the field.

And hell, if it is a "passing down" then you would have the nickel defense in, no? 5 DBs.

Almost everyone on here thinks Bernie can pick apart a defense. But he's an offensive guy so what does he know

@clevfan4life said:

same difference.....the safeties were playing zone(safety valves) and it was a quick 4 yd slant and Orchard really just had to bump him off the line....like I said, Gipson was right there(10 yards off the line & 5yds behind Orchard and Gaines) to pick up coverage or make the tackle, depending on which one the ball went to.....

By design, we were set to prevent the long pass and keep things underneath....and it worked.....

3 plays later, the series was over.......honestly. the ONLY reason this thread is even here is because Brady Quinn made a stupid comment.....

We used our OLBs to cover 10 other pass routes, but no one is taking about that....why?.....because the TV talking heads didnt point it out for them and because the plays worked like they are supposed to....

@mudfly said:

That sounds like "graduate level" stuff Mud...

@tour2ma said:

no I didn't know htat, I thought Gruden was a D guy.

Don't celebrate too hard Johnny!