@westside-steve said:

NO, Oklahoma...he lived in Carlisle PA where he attended school. But I don't think he ever lived in Jim Thorpe PA......which is in fact a very cool town if you've ever been there.

@the-gipper said:

And that is the most persuasive argument for Jack......no one has ever played his sport better.

Now, imo...LeBron may in fact be the most skillful and versatile basketball player to ever play.....but that sport (like golf) is measured by victorie/championships. LeBrons couple he earned in Miami don't get him to the top level among all NBA players (though, note...he IS the only player to go to 5 consecutive Finals other than Celtic dynasty players)

Griffey IS top notch. I really consider him to perhaps be in the Top 5...or 10 best players ever.

Jesse Owens I think has the best counterargument. He got his 4 golds at a time when money was not available for his sport (unlike say Carl Lewis later....who had access to a lot of money), and where racism is rampant. His accomplishments on the world stage make him that top challenger.

Clemens? His roid use brings skepticism. He seemed almost done, then had a rejuvenation.....Steroids?

Are there any other Ohio candidates?

Was Jim Thorpe born here?

WSS

John Havlicek

Jerry Lucas.

Ben Roethlisberger: Findlay

Russell Wilson: Cincinnati (I didn't know this before)

Bernie Kosar: Boardman

Brian Hoyer: Cleveland

Benny Friedman: Cleveland (2 time champ)

Troy Smith: Cleveland

Todd Blackledge: North Canton

Elvis Grbac: Cleveland

Roger Staubach: Cincinnati

Greg Cook: Dayton

Len Dawson: Alliance

Brian Dowling: Cleveland

Charlie Frye: Willard

Ralph Giuliemi: Columbus (played 7 years in 50s/60s)

Jim Harbaugh: Toledo

Bobby Hoying: St. Henry

George Izo: Barberton

Jeff Lewis: Columbus

Oliver Luck: Cleveland

Brian McClure: Ravenna

Mark Miller: Canton

Brady Quinn: Columbus

Dave Ragone: Middleburg Hts.

George Ratterman: Cincinnati

Art Schlichter: Washington Court House

Harry Stuhldreher: Massillon

Stephen Tensi: Cincinnati

Rick Trocano: Cleveland

Tom Tupa: Independence

Erik Wilhelm: Dayton

Bold: Hall of Fame

Being from Summit County, currently living in Medina Co....I note that the only QB that came from either seems to be George Izo...

@westside-steve said:

And that is the most persuasive argument for Jack......no one has ever played his sport better.

Now, imo...LeBron may in fact be the most skillful and versatile basketball player to ever play.....but that sport (like golf) is measured by victorie/championships. LeBrons couple he earned in Miami don't get him to the top level among all NBA players (though, note...he IS the only player to go to 5 consecutive Finals other than Celtic dynasty players)

Griffey IS top notch. I really consider him to perhaps be in the Top 5...or 10 best players ever.

Jesse Owens I think has the best counterargument. He got his 4 golds at a time when money was not available for his sport (unlike say Carl Lewis later....who had access to a lot of money), and where racism is rampant. His accomplishments on the world stage make him that top challenger.

Clemens? His roid use brings skepticism. He seemed almost done, then had a rejuvenation.....Steroids?

Are there any other Ohio candidates?

WSS

Nice drop in with Griffey and Clemens....as I forgot they were both from Ohio. Griffey from Cinci. Clemens born in Dayton.....did not move to Texas until he was a teenager.

I get it up for your pleasure.

11. Viral List.com says that Jack Nicklaus is the greatest athlete ever from the State of Ohio.

Probably. Jim Brown wasn't born here was he?

NO, born in Ga, raised near NYC, college at Syracuse.

12. Star Wars

Big deal. I do think Abrams will make it fun though.

Or he will fuck it up like he did with some aspects of Star Trek.

13. You want to drink that beer that Obama is holding in my avatar.

Hard to tell, if you and he share taste in beer, probably not.

If its a Guinness, sure why not?

Well, its a Guiness per Zombo....

@the-gipper said:

WSS

Zombo said:

I though it was his father, Paddie O'Bama.

@the-gipper said:

Here is this week's Love it or Shove it. I will make a statement, you say whether you love it or would Shove it:

1. The Bengals will go into the tank without Andy Dalton.

Love

2. The Browns should lose all of their remaining games to assure rights to the #1 overall pick.

Shove

3. The Browns, however, will win at least one of their remaining games vs. Seattle, KC, Pitt.

Love, What happens if they win all three? Pettine just said he's going to let them play!

4. The Browns will pick a QB in next year's draft.

Shove. Not a blue chipper in the group,

5. Austin Pasztor is the real deal.

Love, I saw Browns on Sound FX and featured Joe Thomas miced up. He was coaching Pasztor on the sidelines and in the huddle. Very good coaching prospect is Thomas. I mean that. He should pursue coaching when he retires.

6. Eric Mangini will get another gig as HC in the NFL.

Love, Why not. Belicheat was Belichoke when he coached Cleveland. It's a learning process.

7. Dwayne Bowe should play.

Love. I would play him on defense, special teams, offense wherever for next three games and get some money back.

8. Tomsula of 49ers, McCoy of Chargers, Fisher of Rams, Caldwell of Lions, Kelly of Eagles....all are gonzo at the end of the season.

Love, Tomsula should get another year, McCoy and Fisher should go. Caldwell and Kelly will stay on hot seat. Pettine will probably get axed. If Pettine stays Farmer will go according to Ian Rapoport.

9. If you were in the market for that sort of thing, you would buy a Surface tablet.

Shove

10. AJ McCarron has the hottest wife among all NFL players......visual assistance to follow.

Who cares he's a jerk

11. Viral List.com says that Jack Nicklaus is the greatest athlete ever from the State of Ohio.

Shove! Golfers are not athletes! They're golfers! Le Bron, Ken Griffey Jr, Roger Clemens are way better

12. Star Wars

Shove, hate Hollywood

13. You want to drink that beer that Obama is holding in my avatar.

@the-gipper said:

Here is this week's Love it or Shove it. I will make a statement, you say whether you love it or would Shove it:

1. The Bengals will go into the tank without Andy Dalton.

No reason they should. AJ will be ok.

2. The Browns should lose all of their remaining games to assure rights to the #1 overall pick.

Nobody there with a number 1.

3. The Browns, however, will win at least one of their remaining games vs. Seattle, KC, Pitt.

Most likely. Hopefully its Pittsburgh.

4. The Browns will pick a QB in next year's draft.

Probably but not at number 1.

5. Austin Pasztor is the real deal.

Sure, why not?

6. Eric Mangini will get another gig as HC in the NFL.

Not in the near future.

7. Dwayne Bowe should play.

Sure, why not?

8. Tomsula of 49ers, McCoy of Chargers, Fisher of Rams, Caldwell of Lions, Kelly of Eagles....all are gonzo at the end of the season.

No.

9. If you were in the market for that sort of thing, you would buy a Surface tablet.

No, only because all my TVs and phone or Samsung. I really wish my tablet run Windows like my PC though.

10. AJ McCarron has the hottest wife among all NFL players......visual assistance to follow.

Dipper I think you are jerking off to an airbrush again.

11. Viral List.com says that Jack Nicklaus is the greatest athlete ever from the State of Ohio.

Probably. Jim Brown wasn't born here was he?

12. Star Wars

Big deal. I do think Abrams will make it fun though.

13. You want to drink that beer that Obama is holding in my avatar.

Hard to tell, if you and he share taste in beer, probably not.

If its a Guinness, sure why not?

Zombo said:

I am first generation on her side. She came on a boat too: The Queen Mary:

http://uswarbrides.com/AmWarBrides/qm1946ny.html

Now docked at Long Beach CA. I did visit it.

@the-gipper said:

I changed my post, because I googled the picture and that one was taken in a DC Irish pub, not in Ireland. But he drank them there too.

And NO ... I didn't know about your Mother being born in Ireland. I am 4th generation on both sides. They all took a slow boat over in the 1880's-90's

Zombo

Zombo said:

Hmm, same picture....but the one I copied made the beer look lighter....but here, yes, it looks like a Guinness.

As for Ancestral Homeland....I don't know if mentioned this before....I actually have dual citizenship US and Ireland.

My mother was born in Ireland which grants me automatic citizenship. If I wanted all I would have to do is apply for an Irish Passport.

@the-gipper said:

That's a Guinness. Picture was taken in an Irish pub in Washington on St. Patrick's Day.

Obama is Irish on his Mother's side. I am Irish on both sides ... so I could drink him under the table.

And, yes, I will have one.

Zombo

Zombo

@mudfly said:

Good question.....Browns website has him listed as starting LG.....Ourlads has him as the backup RT to The Schwartz.

Don't know if he ever has or can play center.

Erving listed backup LG....not as backup center.

We also have a OL named Kaleb Johnson on the roster as a backup. Never heard of him.....is that one of the guys they just picked up?

I can get my own

Well, by this I meant that you want to drink a beer like the one he is holding....obviously I didn't mean that exact glass of beer.

What do you think that is by the way? Its not Guinness.....more of a dark amber.

@tour2ma said:

Ha....yes I did....just not a dark beer fan.....

Is Pazstor a center too?>....didnt know that....

1. The Bengals will go into the tank without Andy Dalton.

Shove ... AJ will be fine.

2. The Browns should lose all of their remaining games to assure rights to the #1 overall pick.

Shove ... and fuck anybody that loves it.

3. The Browns, however, will win at least one of their remaining games vs. Seattle, KC, Pitt.

Love

4. The Browns will pick a QB in next year's draft.

Love ... chances are good they will want to grab one a some point

5. Austin Pasztor is the real deal.

Love ... hard to tell after a game and a half, so I will just go with my Browns fan optimism.

6. Eric Mangini will get another gig as HC in the NFL.

Shove ... less than 50% chance I say

7. Dwayne Bowe should play.

Shove ... not unless everyone else is injured. We're getting close.

8. Tomsula of 49ers, McCoy of Chargers, Fisher of Rams, Caldwell of Lions, Kelly of Eagles....all are gonzo at the end of the season.

Caldwell ... probably. Chip ... no. Fisher ... probably. McCoy ... probably. Tomsula ... probably not

9. If you were in the market for that sort of thing, you would buy a Surface tablet.

Shove

10. AJ McCarron has the hottest wife among all NFL players......visual assistance to follow.

She's hot. I'm sure there is hotter.

11. Viral List.com says that Jack Nicklaus is the greatest athlete ever from the State of Ohio.

Love

12. Star Wars

Shove

13. You want to drink that beer that Obama is holding in my avatar.

I can get my own.

@mudfly said:

@the-gipper said:

5. Austin Pasztor is the real deal.

Shove it....(and bito will take that job right back)

13. You want to drink that beer that Obama is holding in my avatar.

Shove it....I hate darkies.....

First... oh no, you dihn't.

Second... don't forget we will need a new starting Center next year.

@the-gipper said:

@mld-woody said: