@canton-dawg said:

....and he took Manning down in record time.....poof!

@flugel said:

It feels kind of weird to not put Peyton Manning in either of those tiers right now.

To paraphrase LeBron, "Father Time is undefeated."

@mudfly said:

That's my top 3 too. I know this is hindsight 20/20 but we could have drafted all 3 and maybe traded back and added a pick for 1 or 2 of them. I don't know how QB friendly our setup in comparison to the teams that got them. The only one that started as a rookie was Ben Rapen.

I'd put Wilson in the 2nd tier with Brees, Palmer, and Newton. Luck can go either way but Indy doesn't look like a safe place to play QB right now.

It feels kind of weird to not put Peyton Manning in either of those tiers right now.

Next year Pet says the second thing he said this go 'round...

If Pettine does stick around the dude has to be better about that stuff. NFL players thrive on comments like that no matter what the intent (or what you may think).

@wargograw said:

What supporting cast is gone re: Brees? Obviously Graham is gone but they've added receivers and backs. I won't claim to know the status of his line.

Start with no D as displayed last night. O-line is a patchwork at present. Add the 27th ranked rushing attack... and Ingram had a likely 1000-yd year before going on IR.

WR corps did add Cooks in 2014 to Colston, but Sneed is their #3... nice little player, but... Kenny Stills was their top WR last season, but was traded to the Fins for Dannell Ellerbe (LB) and a 3rd.

Still... Brees heads the #1 Passing Offense in the league, but playing from behind early and a lot does tend to pad the passing stats.

Thats all I have.....3 elites.....

@tour2ma said:

Gruden? Yeah, all it would take is a few more "Ya gotta make that tackle, Mike,' or "Ya gotta make that block, Mike," comments to convince us Pop Warner fans.

Big Ben has been there all along...

Brees may well still be there, but his supporting cast has evaporated.

Torn on Palmer... talent is there, but it is also all around him... need a little more time at his high level.

We can debate Romo's tier some other time...

What supporting cast is gone re: Brees? Obviously Graham is gone but they've added receivers and backs. I won't claim to know the status of his line.

I never really saw Ben in the conversation with those other 4 until this year, but I'm wholly willing to acknowledge the possibility I haven't paid enough attention.

@miktoxic said:

The mark of an educated and well rounded man indeed.

@westside-steve said:

I would.

@baconhound said:

hey. you were right. i just looked at the numbers. i was way off.

i'm not someone who sits around and looks at stats. i know what i like and i don't like midget QBs, sorry.

@jrb12711 said:

I honestly can't believe some people on this board. I'm all for some good debate put people say stuff that is literally baffling. Yeah, a guy who is the future of the league and has been to two super bowls is less sought after than a career game manager. That totally adds up.

HA!! you're a bitch. go fuck yourself.

@wargograw said:

Going into this year, it seemed Brady, Rogers, Manning, and Brees had the top tier locked up with the three R's, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Romo in the 2nd tier. Manning has slid an unholy amount. Brees is probably at least one tier back now. Romo has a big ole question mark. Roethlisberger, IMO, has moved into the first tier. Palmer has as well. Your top tier QBs are Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Palmer.

Big Ben has been there all along...

Brees may well still be there, but his supporting cast has evaporated.

Torn on Palmer... talent is there, but it is also all around him... need a little more time at his high level.

We can debate Romo's tier some other time...

@bob806 said:

Yeah, let's let all the other teams go after this year's versions of Zimmer, Arians, Payton, Del Rio, Reid because forfeiting football games by allowing over 30 points in all of our last 6 losses is wonderful. Great point.

Ohio State fans used to want John Cooper gone when he lost 1-2 games every year - we're 3-16 in our last 19 games and we gotta stick with Pettine. What did sticking with a nice guy like Romeo longer than we should have got us?

Today, I feel like I'm reading people describing a youth football team, not to be confused with PRO football team. They tried hard.I'll even had they displayed wonderful sportsmanship.

Maybe if Gruden covered ALL of our games - we'd get more people to question the type of tackling and pathetic defense we're watching. And NO I don't want Gruden, Cowher or any other guys that are happily retired. I'm just saying we can watch history repeat itself every week and it's not until Gruden covers our game that it gets to "hey, we might want to do something about this." Ya think?

@baconhound said:

Brady Rodgers Wilson, so not top tier if the first tier is Brady and Rodgers

So you take Wilson over all the rest?

WSS

@baconhound said:

I honestly can't believe some people on this board. I'm all for some good debate put people say stuff that is literally baffling. Yeah, a guy who is the future of the league and has been to two super bowls is less sought after than a career game manager. That totally adds up.

@miktoxic said:

TDs were 26 to 15 in favor of Wilson going into today, c'mon Mik these are even close.

@baconhound said:

put up smith's #'s compared to wilson to date this year.

@nickers said:

True....but if he gets canned, prepare for another Pettine-like coach.

Who is going to come here? The "hot" coordinators like Gase & McDaniels turned us down before.

Pettine isn't great by any means, but the Browns still go after it. I haven't seen a mail-in job yet, that's a credit to the coach IMHO.

@jrb12711 said:

Mik off his meds again

@miktoxic said:

So you're trolling right? There's literally no way you can be serious.

i'd take alex smith over wilson any day.

wilson isn't even top 5.