<![CDATA[Danny Shelton]]>I haven't been around much lately, so I'm not sure if this has already been talked to death or not.

I was listening to the Radio last month and heard an interview of the Browns defensive line coach, Anthony Weaver.

He said something that piqued my interest when he asserted that at the end of the season, Danny Shelton will probably have similar numbers to Haloti Ngata's rookie campaign.

Weaver said he was just comparing similarly built players playing the same position, and didn't know Ngata's rookie numbers off hand.

I made a mental note to check up on the numbers at the time, but promptly forgot to do so until one of Tour's comments about Shelton in another thread reminded me of the conversation.

It turns out that Shelton is on pace to almost exactly duplicate Ngata's rookie totals for tackles, and needs one sack to tie him in that category as well.

after comparing the stats I found http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns-defensive-line-coach-isn-t-worried-about-rookie-danny-shelton-s-lack-of-production-1.642583

The author did the legwork of matching up what the coach said to the data.

I know we live in a very impatient society, but odds are good that at the end of the season people will be calling Shelton a bust for having numbers that look pretty similar to rookie numbers of a 9 year veteran who has gone to 5 pro bowls...

Before I get flamed for being a homer in rose colored glasses, this isn't to say that Shelton IS the next Ngata, this is just saying that whats important in determining what Shelton will be in the NFL is yet to be seen.

If he continues to follow a career arch similar to Haloti then he becomes a great first round pick, if not, well.....just another bust to toss on top of the pile.

I am a well documented optimist, however, and do personally believe that Shelton, as well as Cooper and Orchard will develop into very important players for the front 7 of this Browns defense in the years to come.

It may not look like it now, but that's why people in football say it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft class....lets see.

P.S. if this is a redundant post, just give it the ax.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/39014/danny-sheltonRSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 06:48:36 GMTFri, 18 Dec 2015 20:00:27 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:29:20 GMT]]>

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Shelton is a pig. Way out of shape and getting beaten all the time.

He sure did look like pig taking that seahawks OL and driving him into his own runner. Clearly doesn't belong on an NFL field. And you clearly have business evaluating the effectiveness of a 3-4 NT. Do you see a lot of Mr Olympia's lining up at NT in the NFL? They hittin their compulsories before every snap? Showing off those cuts? No they don't you rubbish wanker. Maybe Shelton could join you sat mornings in the park for some deep side bends though?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561272https://brownsboard.com/post/561272Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:29:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:26:21 GMT]]>

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Pillsbury dough boy.

Pillsbury would drink all your ensure infront of you then shit in your mouth, nothing you could do about it. You could even dial it back 20-30 years, he'd still drop a steaming turd in your mouth.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561267https://brownsboard.com/post/561267Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:26:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 16:46:27 GMT]]>Ngata is a different player to my eye... has more "quick twitch" in that big body... and his 10-yd split (1.73) vs. Danny's (1.90) supports that. But Danny can anchor like few I can remember, e.g., Wilfork, even with high pads.

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@mudfly said:

Yep....another interesting stat....for those who think Shelton isnt playing well.....is that he leads the D-Line in tackles......

And considering he is double teamed on almost every play(and sometimes triple teamed), Id say thats an indicator of his play.....

By two, from Jamie Meder. Interestingly enough. Not a knock on Shelton, more kudos to Meder.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561202https://brownsboard.com/post/561202Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:16:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:09:01 GMT]]>Yep....another interesting stat....for those who think Shelton isnt playing well.....is that he leads the D-Line in tackles......

And considering he is double teamed on almost every play(and sometimes triple teamed), Id say thats an indicator of his play.....

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561200https://brownsboard.com/post/561200Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:09:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:57:54 GMT]]>Mostly new guys...and Desmond Bryants 6 sacks.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561197https://brownsboard.com/post/561197Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:57:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:53:13 GMT]]>I know it doesnt seem like it, but our D line has really improved this year....in a lot of ways......but its hard to tell, with the LB problems and, now, DB problems......

But a couple simple stats to show more plays are ending at the line, than what was happening....

2014 D-Line = 48 tkls - 11 sacks - 49 hurries

2015 D-Line = 100 tkls - 13 sacks - 62 hurries.....

So....with 2 games still to play.....the D-Line has doubled its tackles(run game) and has more sacks and more hurries(pressure)....

And, considering it was mostly new guys....Shelton, Meder, Cooper and Starks....making the difference, Id expect even better next year...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561195https://brownsboard.com/post/561195Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:53:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:06:13 GMT]]>I'm pretty sure we can tag him, but I'm also pretty sure we won't. He was pissed last year at not getting the right tag, I don't think we want to burn our bridges there. Either get him on a long term deal or let him go.

Gilbert is probably gone I'm afraid. He will get picked up somewhere and end up on a PS maybe, or might find a niche as a return guy, but he's just been way outperformed by other guys drafted much lower (if at all). He might get another year, if Pett stays.

BTW, I went and checked, Shelton had one fewer bench rep than Aaron Donald. Shelton is a couple of inches taller, and about 60lbs heavier. So yeah, he can lose some flab.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561184https://brownsboard.com/post/561184Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:06:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:59:32 GMT]]>Yeah, we are the swiss cheese of teams in the NFL, with talent holes all over the roster, but that's a good point about the secondary having a good year. The injuries were devastating, and Haden never got going early in the year due to not having hardly any preseason time. I think Gilbert's days might be numbered, but who knows, right? Sometimes things come together for teams, and while that hasn't been true for us, why not have a few things go RIGHT for us? Haden returns to form, Williams plays strong, K'Waun at the nickel, and perhaps Gipson comes back as well.

I think Gipson will be gone, but does anyone know if we can tag him? If we can, that might be a good idea. So we'd have most, if not all of our secondary back. Just need a little (a lot?) of luck with Gilbert.

I want to see Nate Orchard play in the next two games. We need another player that can give us hope. I want to see him make some more big plays.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561183https://brownsboard.com/post/561183Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:59:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:49:48 GMT]]>You have to hope that this year was a down year for our secondary. A lot can of course happen in the off season, but with Haden, Whitner, Gipson (should he resign) and the Williamses, we're looking solid in there at least at starting level, if they play to their ability.

We have legitimate talent holes all over the place, though, and assuming we correctly identify the player, I have zero issue with BPA, it's how good teams are built. Plus, if Gipson leaves, we have a hole at free safety, and I don't know that Poyer will be able to step up and fill it at the same level.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561179https://brownsboard.com/post/561179Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:49:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:45:48 GMT]]>"I am hoping to see more consistent play from each of our three D picks this year - Shelton, Orchard and Cooper - and along with the Bryants, Kirksey, and maybe a new OLB, should have some decent talent next year."

Yep, we need the young guys to really take that next step, and one or two of them need to turn into stars. Not every NFL star is a top ten pick. Look at Laveon Bel, Antonio Brown, and dozens of others. You draft a guy with talent, develop him, and occasionally a star is born. THAT'S what we need on defense. I really think Jalen Ramsey can be a good pick for us. Players at his position are rarely, if ever, taken as high as our pick, but he provides what we need. Of course, we also need what Joey Bosa brings, but whatever. Damn...we need too much. LOL. I like Ramsey because he can play safety or corner. Nice to have that versatility. And he makes big plays, tackles, and has that "confidence" that I want on our team.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561176https://brownsboard.com/post/561176Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:45:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:34:48 GMT]]>Ngata is a couple inches taller, Shelton is about 10lbs heavier, at least on their listings. Hoping that's muscle, not turkey! I think Shelton can probably afford to shed a few pounds, while not compromising his ability, if he refines his technique. Should help his pursuit speed and stamina in general while he's at it.

I am hoping to see more consistent play from each of our three D picks this year - Shelton, Orchard and Cooper - and along with the Bryants, Kirksey, and maybe a new OLB, should have some decent talent next year.

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@gftchris said:

As has been said before here, Ngata had similar rookie numbers. Not saying he *will* be Ngata, but to he say he definitely won't might be premature. When blocked one on one, he seems to move his guy back more often than not. I'd like to see him be able to get past the OL with something other than strength, but he's doing OK for now.

Better technique, all the cliches about lower pad level etc. will improve his consistency. Then you'll likely see him stuffing runs in the backfield a lot more.

Yep, I actually remember you listing Ngata's numbers, and it made me feel a lot better. I just feel like asking a guy to live up to Ngata's potential is a stretch. Not saying it's impossible, but they are built very differently. Ngata looks like a physical freak. Probably 6'4 or taller, and built like Mr. Universe. Shelton has the more...uh...rounder physique. lol. But...I still feel like Shelton has an excellent chance to be a solid cog for us.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561172https://brownsboard.com/post/561172Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:30:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:27:27 GMT]]>As has been said before here, Ngata had similar rookie numbers. Not saying he *will* be Ngata, but to he say he definitely won't might be premature. When blocked one on one, he seems to move his guy back more often than not. I'd like to see him be able to get past the OL with something other than strength, but he's doing OK for now.

Better technique, all the cliches about lower pad level etc. will improve his consistency. Then you'll likely see him stuffing runs in the backfield a lot more.

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@gftchris said:

Shelton will be fine. A good player who needs to refine his technique after being slightly reliant on superior strength at the college level. We have bigger issues than him. Much like we have bigger issues that QB, or OL, at least talent-wise.

That's a good point. He probably didn't have to rely as much on technique in college due to being so powerful, and that crap doesn't generally work in the NFL. As a fan, it's difficult to temper one's expectations when your team takes a player so high in the draft. I know I was hoping for so much more. A few sacks, some stuffs on 4th down, and so on. That's not realistic for a rookie NT, and not every DT is going to be Aaron Donald (lord I wish we had him). Big Dan will be ok. I don't think he'll ever be Haloti Ngata, but the comparisons exist for obvious reasons. Ngata was superhuman.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561166https://brownsboard.com/post/561166Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:20:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 07:22:17 GMT]]>Shelton will get better with experience. So will Orchard, Cooper, Gaines and Erving. I heard Erving will take over for Greco. Since we can't get the games I just watch the few televised nationally. I was wondering if Erving will end up as center next year. And what is the status on the cornerback we drafted. His name is too hard to remember but he hasn't played dur to an injury in college.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561146https://brownsboard.com/post/561146Tue, 22 Dec 2015 07:22:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 02:23:49 GMT]]>Come on, he can collapse most any pocket, he has a sky high motor,

and he can be seen chasing down wr's cutting across field....

and, go back and look - he sent a guy to the ground, and leaped through

the air over him like superman and made the tackle for loss.

Shelton is one of the last players to bitch about.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561086https://brownsboard.com/post/561086Tue, 22 Dec 2015 02:23:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:07:39 GMT]]>

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Shelton is a pig. Way out of shape and getting beaten all the time.

I think he could be a beast with the loss of just a few pound....and by a few I mean like 35-40.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/561019https://brownsboard.com/post/561019Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:07:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:27:14 GMT]]>Shelton will be fine. A good player who needs to refine his technique after being slightly reliant on superior strength at the college level. We have bigger issues than him. Much like we have bigger issues that QB, or OL, at least talent-wise.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/560864https://brownsboard.com/post/560864Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:27:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:12:16 GMT]]>Again another game with flashes and then some rookie moments. Just keep working the finer things of the position, keep that motor running and continue working with NFL S&C coaches while working on maintaining a healthy weight.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/560859https://brownsboard.com/post/560859Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:12:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:10:24 GMT]]>That was a pretty impressive tackle for loss he had at the goal line. We got them to 3rd down, but of course we gave up a wide open touchdown pass. Not that it really would've mattered, but we have to be the easiest team to score on in the red zone.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/560794https://brownsboard.com/post/560794Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:10:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:56:02 GMT]]>Shelton for prez

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/560727https://brownsboard.com/post/560727Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:56:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:18:33 GMT]]>I like Shelton.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/560718https://brownsboard.com/post/560718Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:18:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Danny Shelton on Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:15:15 GMT]]>Maybe we shouldn't call him a bust yet.

Get him the right strength and conditioning program through camp next year and I expect a much better sophomore season.

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