I've used that clip.

I love that clip.

But it just does not apply to this situation.

I dont think our line dominated anyone this year....nor do I think they suck......

To me, they're just somewhere in the middle....

The tackles both had dominant years though.....it was the middle 3(Greco, Bito, Mack) that weren't on their game....

I don't think it's fair to criticize Shelton but I do think it's fair to criticize the need for such an award.

Mud I'd wager you've watched almost every snap this season. After how many games did you stop and say to yourself, "man that OLine was owning players today". I get that the lack of flash is due in part to the ZBS but after watching all but two games I can't honestly say the Browns look dominate in back to back games and they have had games, while healthy where they looked like absolute shit. I heard a lot of "Bitonio had a tough matchup", "the crowd was loud today" and "they have a very good defense". Just don't see the dominate from that many claim we have.

I dont think our line dominated anyone this year....nor do I think they suck......

To me, they're just somewhere in the middle....

The tackles both had dominant years though.....it was the middle 3(Greco, Bito, Mack) that weren't on their game....

The point isn't JT isn't very good it's that the OL is more than just one player and must be evaluated as a whole. As a whole the Browns offensive line is mediocre.

I don't think it's fair to criticize Shelton but I do think it's fair to criticize the need for such an award.

Mud I'd wager you've watched almost every snap this season. After how many games did you stop and say to yourself, "man that OLine was owning players today". I get that the lack of flash is due in part to the ZBS but after watching all but two games I can't honestly say the Browns look dominate in back to back games and they have had games, while healthy where they looked like absolute shit. I heard a lot of "Bitonio had a tough matchup", "the crowd was loud today" and "they have a very good defense". Just don't see the dominate from that many claim we have.

Glad to see Tour posted the article about the belt, cause it's pretty unfair to attack Shelton for winning an award.....

But.....considering it was Walter......Im not surprised.....

Right.....in fact.....out of the 46 sacks the team has taken, the adjusted grades have the OL allowing just 16 of them

.....and Joe Thomas is credited with allowing only 2.....(which is priceless).....

And our terrible run game?......averages 2.8 yards per carry, except over LT/LG, where the average is 4.5 ypc....

Glad to see Tour posted the article about the belt, cause it's pretty unfair to attack Shelton for winning an award.....

But.....considering it was Walter......Im not surprised.....

Right.....in fact.....out of the 46 sacks the team has taken, the adjusted grades have the OL allowing just 16 of them

.....and Joe Thomas is credited with allowing only 2.....(which is priceless).....

And our terrible run game?......averages 2.8 yards per carry, except over LT/LG, where the average is 4.5 ypc....

Sacks aren't always on the OL and neither are minimized runs...

It's called positive reinforcement.

Since it seems it was Danny's first award, I think it is safe to assume he did not "need" a reward to show up vs. the Seahawks.

Can't find a list of belt winners, but I think it is safe to assume that there have been a couple weeks when none was handed out, e.g., the 2nd Bengals game.

As for the dog bones... just like with Buckeye leaves... win, lose or tie, there are good plays made and it's good to see them recognized.

i'd like to see the stats on how many of those 'QB kills' and 'rushes squashed' were to the left side and were JTs fault?

all the haters might not want to admit it but every GM in the game and anyone that knows anything about football knows that good LT is as important as the guy he's protecting. and we have a great one.

i'd like to see the stats on how many of those 'QB kills' and 'rushes squashed' were to the left side and were JTs fault?

all the haters might not want to admit it but every GM in the game and anyone that knows anything about football knows that good LT is as important as the guy he's protecting. and we have a great one.

You have one valid point that a great LT on a shitty team is basically useless. For all the individual accolades given by many in here, and on PFF, to the OL I didn't see back to back games where the QB wasn't getting killed or running for his life. There weren't back to back games where the offense ran the ball like teams do to the Browns. But "true" Browns fans need to have a feeling like there is some worth on the team and the defense that everyone thought was going to be the 85 Bears in August sucks so they have to hang their hats on something, the OL is that something.

The line of gorgeous women standing in line to suck cum out of my dick is so long that none of you have enough time left on Earth to kneel in front of me.

Nonetheless, the poster is absolutely correct. The fucking Browns lose, and the next day Joe Thomas in on TV telling jokes and hi-fiving people.

NOBODY will address the truth.

BEFORE the Browns drafted Joe Thomas, they were a perennial 4 - 12 team.

AFTER the Browns drafted Joe Thomas, they remained a 4 - 12 team.

What the fuck kind of a football player goes to the mother fucking HOF, without making ONE SINGLE MEASURABLE contribution to winning? Get pissed off all you want, assholes, but the lard-ass mother fucker has not done one-single thing you can point to that has helped the team. Putting him along side Jim Brown?

IF ANYONE here is sucking cocks, it is Gippier and company sucking Joe Thomas's cock.I take it back, JT isn't the Putney Swope of NFL players, he is the fucking BARNEY FIFE of NFL players. His name should be FREE RIDE. He is a fucking affirmative action personality. He doesn't do jack shit, but because the Browns have no players that could play on any NFL playoff team, announcers have to make bullshit up. So they tell you how great JT is... and YOU cocksuckers eat it up, despite there being no logic behind it.

Don't accuse someone else of being a cocksucker when your have a tatoo on your head that says " DON'T GRAB MY EARS I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING".