@the-gipper said:

HA!....thats about right....

@westside-steve said:

Not sure what you are asking....and it sounds like too much work for me as well.

But.....if you are referring to what were the records of teams that took QBs with the first or second overall pick through the years....I would say: pretty shitty. After all, they were awarded the #1 or #2 pick. (unless a trade....like the RGIII trade was made.)

On the list of "2d QB taken regardless of draft slot" taking a look at it....in two cases I know, Quinn and JMZ, those were our 2d picks in the first round.

And remember, the Jets got Sanchez using a pick traded FROM the Browns in a trade up.

If you take into account the trade that got us Weeden......the Browns have been very active at Quarterback dealing in the first round of the draft.

Or, as Shakespeare said: A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Derek Carr

Brock Osweiler

Russell Wilson

Nick Foles

Kurt Cousins

Andy Dalton

Colin Kaepernick

Ryan Mallet

Trent Edwards

Kyle Orton

Matt Schaub

Luke McCown

Rex Grossman

Josh McCown

Daunte Culpepper

Brian Griese

Neil O'Donnell

Jim Harbaugh

Rich Gannon

Ken O'Brien

Dan Marino

Joe Montana

Joe Ferguson

Dan Fouts

Ken Anderson

Joe Theisman

Ken Stabler.

WSS

@the-gipper said:

So...if you add these to your lists.....it's pretty obvious you need to tap the one guy a year who's worth anything.....if he exists....

cause the second and third ones tend not to do well......at all.....

@the-gipper said:

@mudfly said:

Using that theory.....instead of overall 1 & 2.....lets look at the first 2 picked....last 10 years.....

2015: Marriota #1......Winston #2

2014: Bortles #3......Manziel #22

2013: Manuel #16.....Smith #39

2012: Luck #1........RGIII #2

2011: Newton #1.......Locker #8

2010: Bradford #1......Tebow #25

2009: Stafford #1.......Sanchez #5

2008: Ryan #3.......... Flacco #18

2007: Russell #1........Quinn #22

2006: Young #3..........Leinert #10

I count only 4 or 5 that Id consider to be "franchise type" QB's...(25%)......(so far)

Which ones are these?

My 5 would be Ryan, Stafford, Flacco, Newton and Luck......(so far).....

And, Id say, Marriota & Winston are looking fairly decent and have a good chance of getting to franchise status too....

@mudfly said:

@mudfly said:

I guess I didn't see your post when I put mine up. Thanks boss.

Bryce Petty

Teddy Twatwater

Mike Glennon

Ryan Tannehill

Blaine Gabbert

Jimmy Clausen

Josh Freeman

Brian Brohm

Kevin Kolb

Jay Cultler

So.....looks like a good idea to stay away from the 3rd one available too.....

@the-gipper said:

I already did it......look up.....^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

@mudfly said:

2015: Marriota #1......Winston #2

2014: Bortles #3......Manziel #22

2013: Manuel #16.....Smith #39

2012: Luck #1........RGIII #2

2011: Newton #1.......Locker #8

2010: Bradford #1......Tebow #25

2009: Stafford #1.......Sanchez #5

2008: Ryan #3.......... Flacco #18

2007: Russell #1........Quinn #22

2006: Young #3..........Leinert #10

So.....there are your top 2 QB's from each season.....out of the 20 listed, I personally consider 11(55%)(in red) of them as 1st round busts.....meaning, to date, they have not played well....earned & maintained a starters role.....or even stayed in the league....

I count only 4 or 5 that Id consider to be "franchise type" QB's...(25%)......(so far)

And I count only 1 who Id consider even remotely close to being elite/super star.....and he's just getting there now(Cam)...

So...over 10 years and first 20 QB's picked.....and I see one " big star" so far........and a handful of good ones....

And a bunch of duds and "undecideds"...

@mld-woody said:

Couldnt agree more.....plenty of years where there are no QB's at the top....because none are good enough to be there....

And just deciding to pick one at #1 or #2 does not make him worthy.....

Gip....as an example.....it sounds like you're saying if we picked GOFF at #1 he would be more successful, than if we picked him at #2 or #10......

But....in reality....no matter where you pick him....Goff is still Goff.....

So.....this year....there isnt a QB who stands out as an overall #1.....so if you just pick a guy and insert him into the #1 or #2, it does not, in any way, imply he will be more successful.....

He has to be worth it.....and some years there just isnt anyone who is...

And if you did what woody said.....and instead of listing overall #1 & #2's.....you listed the first and second QB's picked period.....you'd see a huge difference in the quality.....(cause lots of teams force it....ala Manziel and Quinn)

@mld-woody said:

NSS.....but the fact is, since 1998....EVERY QB that was taken with the #2 overall pick was taken behind a QB taken with the #1 pick.

So, that is an odd coincidence......and here are the facts going back to 1960:

Three other times when a QB was taken #2 overall.....another QB was taken at #1:

1993 Drew Bledsoe taken @1, Rick Mirer taken #2

1971 Jim Plunkett taken #1, Archie Manning taken #2

1964 AFL draft: Jack Concannon taken #1, Pete Beathard taken #2

But, it has happened three times since 1960 (or, if you will one time since the common draft began in 1966) where a QB was taken #2 but it was not a QB taken at #1:

1973 John Matuscak DE taken #1, Bert Jones QB taken #2

1961 Tommy Mason RB taken #1, Norm Snead QB taken #2

1960 Billy Cannon TE taken #1, George Izo QB taken #2

So....just for shits and giggle.....if the Browns took Lynch/Goff at #2 (and the Tits took Bosa or Ole Miss tackle at #1)....it would be the first time since Bert Jones that such a thing happened.

Lynch is no where near what we need at QB and we need receivers and a bonafide running back. It's going to be a challenge I hope they're up to.

Ryan Leaf 1998 one pick after Manning

Donovan McNabb one pick after Couch

Robert Griffin III one pick after Luck

Marcus Mariota on pick after Winston

I think based on this chances are better at #1