And either trade JM, or make him third string.

As for draft day trade value, I figure they could trade him to entice a

small trade up from the third round to the second round.

Surely the Browns are done with JM. Never was a fit, never should have been drafted.

"fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me....."

fool me a third, fourth and try it a fifth time, you're toast, you sombeech, boozer loser.

@hunter48 said:

Browns would like to bring back Flip and Q.B.coach. Grossi said if this happens this a strong sign that there not moving on from Manziel.

And the DB coaches because they make JM look better in practice?

Deadly plagues... check.

Famines... check.

Earthquakes... check.

Position coaches... check.

Now just need the sky to turn dark and oceans to turn to blood...

@hunter48 said:

No but starting a new thread when one already exists is pretty fucking Retarded...

2. Anger

3. Bargaining

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

Most of us are already at stage 5 bro, hope you get there soon.

Why not just ask flip to be head coach and bring in a new D coordinator?

I'd take that over marrone.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

How smart is it to hire a Head Coach prior to hiring a General Manager?

How smart (or desperate) is a HC prospect willing to work for an X-factor and with position coaches hand picked by the owner.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Sometimes blind squirrels to find acorns, however.

@clevfan4life said:

I don't see it as a bad thing. What about the possibility that they've already decided on who the coach is? Maybe its Patricia or maybe that dude from Carolina? These guys might know that already but they can't release it that way so it's presented in the way it was reported?

@texasag1969 said:

Tour, Mud and I ...

Majority rule?

@gftchris said:

Analytics is the art/science of finding the most pertinent bits of data.

And in the case of sports devising systematic processes for capturing the data.

To generate sufficient data to systematize the evaluation of players' defensive contributions, it took the development of a grid system for the field and takes as many as a dozen people to capture the data.

@texasag1969 said:

Analytics is the art/science of finding the most pertinent bits of data. Casual fans (and Al Davis) get so enamoured with 40 time, vertical/broad jump etc. but across all-pro players, you won't find those things as a trend.

Understanding the concept is easy enough, applying it is damn hard in team sports.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

yay? I mean so what? Of course Defilipo knows he can theoretically interview for the new staff, he knows his offense wasn't the problem this year. I get what you're saying though I guess...as long as they said we have no issue with you trying to find greener pastures but if you don't you have a job here if it hasn't been filled.

@bbedward said:

Don't really see the point.

H: "Yea we'd like to see you stay a Brown Flip! You did a great job with the offense this year."

F: "Yea but does that mean you're going to keep me on board?"

H: "Well...you know if the new coach who is to be determined wants to keep you around, we'd fully support that decision!"

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If Flip gets an offer he likes that guarantees he has a coaching position for 2016 (such as Rams OC). Then he's not going to stay with the Browns because the new coach "might want to keep him around"

That's just the way it goes.

Absolutely, but not shutting the door on him simply because he's a member of the old regime is better than the alternative.

He gets the chance to interview for our job, just like any other OC.

@clevfan4life said:

than tell me what i'm missing there swami. I get it that they can't ask them not to interview. What i'm saying is even asking them to stay in case the new HC wants them is Retard. Of course they want to keep continuity in certain parts, but like I said....this is what you get for starting over every two years. So tell me what I didn't comprehend?

It's giving them a vote of confidence, rather than cutting bait across the board for the sake of rebuilding. It shows that our FO is evaluating performance and not making ego-driven decisions.

Of course I don't expect any of them to stay, but having a potential job in your back pocket is never a bad thing for anyone.

It's encouraging to me, because this is the first time our FO has seemingly made a rational decision based off of data and talent evaluation rather than a gut move at the urging of a "football guy" or Haslam.

@bbedward said:

Don't really see the point.

Exactly... or put another way: Non-value added.

H: "Yea we'd like to see you stay a Brown Flip! You did a great job with the offense this year."

F: "Yea but does that mean you're going to keep me on board?"

H: "Well...you know if the new coach who is to be determined wants to keep you around, we'd fully support that decision!"

----

If Flip gets an offer he likes that guarantees he has a coaching position for 2016 (such as Rams OC). Then he's not going to stay with the Browns because the new coach "might want to keep him around"

That's just the way it goes.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

than tell me what i'm missing there swami. I get it that they can't ask them not to interview. What i'm saying is even asking them to stay in case the new HC wants them is Retarded. Of course they want to keep continuity in certain parts, but like I said....this is what you get for starting over every two years. So tell me what I didn't comprehend?

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Our HC likely won't be officially hired for at least four more weeks if it is indeed Patricia, so cutting bait with the staff you absolutely don't want around is better for them than keeping them in limbo.

I fail to see anything wrong with that whatsoever.

They're not "in limbo". All clearly have permission to interview.

Not a matter of not doing harm... is a matter of adding value.

@clevfan4life said:

kind of shitty to ask Defilipo to "hang around" while Cleveland begs for a new HC. People potentially want to hire Filipo, spots are gonna fill up quick. So he waits and then some new douchebag says Nah I want someone else.....the Browns really this stupid? So fucked up. You want to fire yet another HC this is what you get, the assistants scatter, especially ones that other teams want to interview. You can't ask them to chill just in case some new schmuck that's gonna be gone in a year may or may not want them. Fuck i'm really tired of how this franchise operates.

Your comprehension is absolute garbage, but...then again...we all knew that.