@roycerolls said:

Its January, and a lot of shit will go down before the Browns are on the Clock with the #2 pick. That being said, if the Browns have the opportunity to take a Franchise QB, it has to happen. I believe Goff's floor is a top 20 NFL QB while his ceiling is top 5 (elite).

Agree with this summary... very close to my assessment of Goff.

have Kruger.

It's Goff. He doesn't have to play immediately, and he has serious skills to become a top qb in the

league... and he loves the game, and already does his own reads etc at the los.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2604748-why-jared-goff-is-the-next-franchise-quarterback?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-459?is_shared=true

@logicisforsquares said:

Yeah they definitely screwed the pooch when they drafted the drunk brat from A&M.

C'mon man. How can you pass on a guy who declares, "I'm gonna wreck this team".,.... I mean league !

WSS

Having said all that, maybe the Browns will disagree with my take on Goff, and that's fine (even though I've been beating their ass in QB scouting since I started paying attention to the draft). Maybe they can find value if a guy like Cook takes a Brett-Hundley like header into the 5th round, hell, maybe they can trade for Hundley. Whatever happens, All I want out of next season is a coaching staff that has the players ready to play their best football and a QB of the future. It's not too much to ask for, and there's a possibility we see it in 2016.

@mark-o said:

If we draft a qb #2(or #1 if we have to trade up because someone else wants him), he *WILL* play most of year 1. There is NO FUCKING WAY that Josh Fucking Mcnown(a sucky journeyman) is going to start over a 1-2 first overall draft pick. That's simply not the way the nfl works in 2015. The last time such a thing happened was when carson palmer sat over Kitna, and that was 15 or so years ago and pretty controversial at the time. The nature of the nfl has changed a lot since then and you simply dont see first overall type qbs sit for a year or two. Doesn't happen. And if it did, thats a CONCERNING sign.....especially if the guy starting is a career journeyman who loses just about every damn game he has ever started.

@tour2ma said:

Well if he tells him alcy traz JM might bite.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

But what if I'm assuming that Chip Kelly wants Johnny Manziel...

Chip: John-boy, we need you out here.

JM: Really? No concerns about... you know... the off-field stuff? None of which by the way was my fault.

Chip: Nah... Look even have a new contract waiting for you. Nice extension and includes housing.

JM: Really? Cool... I heard SF is a really expensive place to live. Where is the place?

Chip: A really sweet, little island out in the middle of the bay...

@darkside5 said:

We currently have 4 QBs on the roster that are better than anyone in the draft for the 2016 season. If we draft another Qb in the first round this year it's gonna be business as usual, another miserable season. We need defense and WRs.

Stupidest post I've read all week!!

REALLY!!!!!

Even adding Cardale in round 3 or 4 would be an upgrade at the lower end!

@the-cysko-kid said:

He's good enough to play if our new rookie isn't ready. But the point was someone saying that we have 4 QBs on the roster better than anyone we could draft this year and that's just a stupid thing to post.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

We might have one QB on the roster who is better than anyone we could draft this year. McCown would probably play better than any rookie this year. I wouldn't bet against Goff or Lynch outplaying Davis, Shaw or the vegas village idiot.

@darkside5 said:

We currently have 4 QBs on the roster that are better than anyone in the draft for the 2016 season. If we draft another Qb in the first round this year it's gonna be business as usual, another miserable season. We need defense and WRs.

That is a false statement.

@texasag1969 said:

But what if I'm assuming that Chip Kelly wants Johnny Manziel - thus creating a bidding war? Now, its likely Kelly wouldn't be able to offer a fifth for him - but he may offer Kaepernick and a sixth, which we could then run to Jerrah and say "hey look, this is what's on the table - beat it or we take it."

I also wouldn't mind seeing a Manziel / Kaepernick trade and then we go into 2016 evaluating Kaep - as long as the Watson plan is still in effect for when Kaep proves he's garbage.

@mark-o said:

OK-but no way Dallas gives the Browns a 5th unless they pass it on to JM.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

It doesn't piss me off. I don't think it's the worst plan in the world.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Scenario planning is almost one hundred percent how I look at the NFL Draft.

I've made an attempt to get a message to Sashi asking if he's heard of the book, but I may just send him a copy.

It kinda worked for Doug Flutie right?

@tour2ma said:

Not you, specifically. You've always seemingly been receptive to most of my crazy draft scenarios.

Scenario planning is almost one hundred percent how I look at the NFL Draft. There is no end-all, be-all perfect draft, there are just scenarios that are beneficial to building the team the way you want. Scenario one, which many seem to be fond of, is adding the top QB this year - which is fine. But it's not the only way (especially if you believe that the top guy next year is better than the top guy this year).

All that said, I don't dislike Goff and wouldn't be opposed to taking him this year. I just like thinking outside of the box.

As for trade values - I always err toward the highest possible value, hence my valuation of Johnny as a third when he's more of a turd.

@the-cysko-kid said:

I'm following too- it's pretty fun to see a team win on a consistent basis for a change.

@the-cysko-kid said:

To be fair the Texans play in a crappy division with other perennial losers where as we play in a division with two and sometimes three bullies/perennial playoff teams.

I know Steve commented- but not only that, Andrew Luck missed around 1\2 the season, and the rest of the team was pretty beat up.

@tour2ma said:

Agree... easier to see Goff's transition to the Pros than it was Mariotta's or Bortles' or any other recent QB not named Luck... or maybe Winston. And he comes without any off-field baggage.

Mentioned that Tour. Care to comment if my preliminary observation comparing Goff to Sam Bradford, who went #1 overall is a fair one?

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I did this just to piss everyone off.

Well, in that case you failed miserably...

Not that I agree with every delusional step, but trading picks forward fits if we are not prepared for this draft or want to make 2016 a "mock draft" to check out our processes. And once you accept that possibility for whatever reason, then the rest becomes plausible.

Actually brings forth another useful tool that I may have mentioned in past years... Scenario Planning. One of the most powerful business tools I ever came across...

• #2 - Bosa.
• #32 - We hope to god Jaylon Smith falls to #32 because of his destroyed-to-shit knee. If he doesn't we just pick between Reggie Ragland, Shilique Calhoun, Michael Thomas, Laquan Treadwell, Shaq Lawson, or Josh Doctson (I include this wide range of players because I haven't watched extensive film on them but I assume they will be available in this area and have skill sets that I like as of this current moment...again, pre-film).
• #65 - Cardale Jones.
• #96 - Trade for 2017 third.
• #129 - Trade for 2017 fourth.
• 5th round compensatory - take best SS available
• Probable other 5th round compensatory - BPA if can't trade.
• The rest - move to 2017 assets if possible.

• We trade Johnny Manziel to Dallas for whatever we can get - ideally a 2017 third, but likely not. Probably more in the range of a fifth.

We go into the season with Josh McCown at the helm and let Cardale ride the bench. Now, ideally Cardale would take over in training camp, pass for 5,000+ yards, become a future HOF QB and lead us to the Super Bowl next season and every season for the next 12-15 years.

But that is highly unlikely to happen.

What will likely more happen is that Cardale will struggle to grasp the playbook, he'll play sparingly in the preseason and look lost, and then never see the field until Josh McCown comes down with an injury. But that's fine. Because we win 4 games next season under McCown, then only one under Cardale - putting us at 5-11 and picking 5th.

Then we:

• Package our 2017 first and second and our 2018 first and second, move up to #1 and take Deshaun Watson.
• 3rd round - BPA OL
• 3rd round (via trade) - BPA WR
• 4th round - trade for 2018 3rd round
• 4th round (via trade) - trade for 2018 3rd round
• Trade for future assets

This plan allows us to take the likely BPA available in this draft (Bosa), get a strong LB (a position of need) and take a QB - while accounting for the fact that the QB we get in 2016 might not work out. It's a plan with a built-in backup plan.

I did this just to piss everyone off.