Also tends to make your OL look a lot better.

@calfoxwc said:

... and the big time QB still only has 3 seconds...

These stud WRs won't get the ball from a guy on the ground...

So, I don't see how drafting them fixes your O-line problems and makes them great.

@calfoxwc said:

What would Tom Brady's stats be without Gronk and Edelman sp? Very bad.

C'mon man, that's more ridiculous than saying we need to blow up the offensive line. Edelman needs Brady waaayyyy more than Brady needs Edelman.

@bbedward said:

unless there is a very weird distribution(like #5 through 20 are all bunched together and almost indstinguishable), by definition being 5th best out of 32 is elite. Any player/unit/whatever is measured by how he performs relative to others. If we really did have the 5th most effective o-line in the nfl last year, then they were elite.

@clevfan4life said:

PFF recognizes that our interior OL was weak and Mack had a down year, Bitonio had a down year, and said Erving was a dud.

But I believe according to them JT had the 2nd best season of his entire career, Schwartz was a top RT as well.

So it seems like being #5 overall doesn't mean it's elite, it just means that 27 other teams are worse.

@tacosman said:

If Watson sucks, I highly doubt that Hue Jackson would go out of his way to make sure the kid got signed. He may see potential there given he saw him in practice regularly. We shall see.

@london-bengal said:

too much talent?? Jeremy Hill blew chunks last year...he was GODAWFUL. He also fumbled away their season with a couple minutes left against the steelers. The fact that Jeremy Hill got as many carries as he did last year(despite him sucking so badly all year) actually goes against Terrell Watson being very good.

but I'm just rambling with the above....what I laugh about is when I read glowing reviews from guys in here about how all the individual components of the offense is doing well. One guy points out how pff rates are offensive line this...and god knows we've heard how "qb has not been a problem this year"(it has been)....and then crap like "Barnridge is a true threat and benji has come on".....jesus christ that's greater than 90% of the offense!! If all those pieces were playing well, then our offense wouldnt have sucked so bad. Then someone says "it's just the sum of the parts is greater than the whole". No no no no....you can't make that assessment. Football is a team game. If a player isn't playing well with others, that GOES TO his individual performance.

@calfoxwc said:

The stats actually say the OL is great.

It's the eye test that says otherwise.

PFF said our unit was the 5th best this year. JT and Schwartz being great, with interior OL not playing as well as they have in other years. They said Erving was a total dud, which is true.

Overall pretty solid unit, Bitonio and Mack had slumps this year.

Browns had the second highest sacks allowed in the league. By one.

I don't believe this is because the RB couldn't pick up the blitz, either.

Browns QB has a defender on him in 3 seconds or less. Brownpile

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Our oline is great. The stats don't mean the Browns oline is terrible.

The situation is. Defenses know they don't have to fear the Browns wr.s

That's the problem. They double or triple cover Barnidge, have their best cb

cover Travis deep, and they shut down the run, end of story.

That happens all too often. Remarkably, McCown knew best on how to handle that.

That's 451 yards of offense with good matchups for a change.

What would Tom Brady's stats be without Gronk and Edelman sp? Very bad.

When a defense goes into an all out blitz, and the qb has nobody open to throw to, I don't understand

why anybody would think the qb sucks. All he can do is scramble maybe.

You let the Browns get a couple of top tier wr's in the mix, and a real bigtime qb... and watch

how the oline is great.

@london-bengal said:

Papa Hue definitely saw some good stuff in him. I hope it works out, but we'll see.

@brownpile said:

I'm not sure what people are looking at when they say our O-line is good.

Mostly grading data of individuals... some by me... mostly by ProFootballFocus (PFF). All five of our starters graded out very well with a couple (Thomas and Schwartz) graded the best at their position. Problem was that the whole was much less than the sum of the parts.

Browns had the second highest sacks allowed in the league. By one.

I don't believe this is because the RB couldn't pick up the blitz, either.

Browns QB has a defender on him in 3 seconds or less.

If you're running a pocket passing offense, until this is fixed any QB will get murdered.

It won't matter what WRs they have, either. There's no time to let a play develop to throw to them.

IF your offense MUST be designed around the pass, then the only ways to compensate for the O-line sieve is to design an offense with more bodies to block; design an offense around a mobile QB; or to design plays that only take 3 seconds to execute.

You could run a 2 or 3 tight end offense.

You could use a full backfield of RB and FB to pick up blitz (do they even have a FB?)

You design plays for a roll-out QB (hmm.. do we have one of those?...)

You design plays that take 3 seconds to execute.

If you watch the Patriots, they run a lot of plays that take only 3 seconds. Brady throws the ball to a receiver crossing over the middle in 3 seconds. 5 yard gain each time.

You also need a fast receiver in order to execute those plays. (hmmm... Do we have a fast receiver already?...)

So, live with an O-line that is a sieve and compensate for it, or fix the O-line.

combine, etc etc etc.

Maybe Wentz wows scouts and coaches with far more ability to read

defenses and make quick decisions than he got to show in college.

But the Browns have the high pick to get the qb they want. JM is gone. It's classy

to not say that, and interview the players first, and not throw him under the bus, Pettine style.

But he has worn out his welcome, and the players around him deserve a hell of a lot better.

BTW, Goff is a student of the game, loves the game. Even if Wentz turns out to be the guy..

you have to just take him at two.

The offensive line is fine...actually, it's excellent. Cam knows he has to get stronger, and will.

And the Browns oline blocked a lot better when it wasn't a zbs. A lot of olines have a far easier

time of it, because they have the wr's to get open.

BTW, Bito struggled only because of injuries. With a bigtime qb, and a couple of star wide receivers,

the Browns offense could rock. I mean, they put up 33 points against Denver. They aren't that far away.

My bet is, that not only are many assistants wanting to coach under Hue, but a lot of free agents

will now look at Cleveland, and want to come here.

"Tearing up the entire oline" ? HC's all over the NFL would love to have the Browns oline.

It's the LACK OF WR's who can get open. I mean, seriously, come on, man. It's the wr's. The Browns

need TWO new starters next year. You could draft one in the second round, another later....

and...maybe sign Sanu as a fa. The Hue connection.....

@clevfan4life said:

For the 3714th time, our OL was GOOD this year.

The run game and passpro sucked because the blocking of non-OL positions weren't just the league worst.. they were 5 times below the league average.

Barnidge is a dumpster fire of a blocker. Johnson shouldn't be on an NFL team.

@texasag1969 said:

Power run game huh? So our #2 is Henry after all?

Just like I said about my Mock Sim... if he falls into the 3rd round, then why not?

@clevfan4life said:

Only problem is Manziel has worn out his welcome in Cleveland. Did you miss that hilarious spoof before the Carolina- Seattle game featuring Betty White? She wouldn't even talk to Manziel.

@tour2ma said:

Power run game huh? So our #2 is Henry after all?

@tour2ma said:

I sincerely hope you are correct. I've been waiting for it to come back for 5 years.