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@tour2ma said:

Kindred, Peppers, Ward AND Mayfield for Wentz? Where do I sign up!

Either\ or Tour. If you want to say Sashi kicked the can down the road two years, be my guest. We take Wentz, we're not taking Mayfield, and probably aren't even in the position to draft him....   Remains to be seen who will have the better career. 

So- to get to where we are, was it worth it to go through the pain and suffering of 1-31? I say NO. And who's to say if Sashi was still here he wouldn't have traded out of #1, and taken Josh Allen to amass even more garbage picks? 

@tour2ma said:

Jury is still out on Goff-v-Wentz, but it's fun watching the data roll in...

The jury can have it, but just as Winston or Mariota the Browns had no chance to land J.Goff. Wentz only. Got to give it up to Rams GM Les Sneed that took over in 2012. His first choice was to pass on RG3 getting back 2 1st rounders,Brockers & Janoris Jenkins. Continued hitting on draft picks Ogletree,Trumaine Johnson,TJ McDonald,Aaron Donald,Gurley than Havenstein.Sneed than gave up a boatload of picks to go from #8 to #1 to choose his QB closer with S.McVay.Goff 'looks to be' the right choice over Wentz.The Browns seem awful familiar passing on Wentz as Sneed did with RG3. Our other drafted pieces will be key if our QB is now in place?      Great game to watch last night..  

@jrb12711 said:

Let's just leave that Manziel thread buried deep though, nothing to see there...

lol... no worries there.

I'm too old to drag 500+ pages up top...

@hoorta said:

Kindred, Peppers, Ward AND Mayfield for Wentz? Where do I sign up!

@secondwave said:

It also goes to show that you can't write a kid off after a bad rookie season and deem him a "bust". I'm happy for Goff.

I really liked Goff in that draft & glad to see him doing so well. Goff obviously has excelled under Sean McVay & his staff. It makes me wonder what may have been had Fisher & staff remained.

Mike

@tour2ma said:

FIFY....

Let's just leave that Manziel thread buried deep though, nothing to see there...

@tour2ma said:

I think it's now safe to say that the kid can play.

What a show last nite. I couldn't help but wonder if I was watching the "Brady-Belichik" combo for the next decade.

Jury is still out on Goff-v-Wentz, but it's fun watching the data roll in...

It also goes to show that you can't write a kid off after a bad rookie season and deem him a "bust". I'm happy for Goff.

@jrb12711 said:

It is always nice reading these threads and seeing how right I was haha. 

Yes, we were. ?

@tour2ma said:

I think it's now safe to say that the kid can play.

What a show last nite. I couldn't help but wonder if I was watching the "Brady-Belichik" combo for the next decade.

Jury is still out on Goff-v-Wentz, but it's fun watching the data roll in...

And 20\20 hindsight says we wouldn't have gone wrong with either Goff or Wentz, but darn, we got that Corey Coleman feller instead...   Why Sashi is currently unemployed...  Kizer for Randall, sort of makes the deal complete. One potentially very good CB, and two semi-decent defensive players. Would the Eagles reverse the trade for what we got out of it? Har, har. Found out the Browns way quality beats quantity every time.....  

@jrb12711 said:

It is always nice reading these threads and seeing how right I WE was were haha. 

FIFY....

It is always nice reading these threads and seeing how right I was haha. 

@tour2ma said:

I think it's now safe to say that the kid can play.

What a show last nite. I couldn't help but wonder if I was watching the "Brady-Belichik" combo for the next decade.

Jury is still out on Goff-v-Wentz, but it's fun watching the data roll in...

Normally digging up a 2 year old thread would get you a lot of monkey poop thrown your way....but in this case it is a fair deal.

And based on your comment, I am going to start a new thread re dynasties.

What a show last nite. I couldn't help but wonder if I was watching the "Brady-Belichik" combo for the next decade.

Jury is still out on Goff-v-Wentz, but it's fun watching the data roll in...

@westside-steve said:

@westside-steve said:

Well maybe you guys have a better handle on what the fuck analytics might possibly mean.

But in case I wasn't clear I'm talking about foregoing a quarterback until the third or fourth round where coach Jackson sees one he could coach up to be the next Andy Dalton

WSS

Ahhh....hahahaha.....looks like someone nailed it......kablammo!

@tour2ma said:

Irate? Mildly at best as I'll be more stunned, then gradually move to stupefied...

This draft?......yes.....Mildly irate....stunnned and stupified.........thats me!

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/los-angeles-rams/

They do have 18 FAs including a few names they'll likely want to resign, however. I can see maybe $25mm eaten up there. But as you pointed out, they won't have to reserve much for their draft.

@tour2ma said:

LOL, like Barky Mingo and Paul Kruger? Here's the list. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/

PS- Sportrac has the Rams with about $5 million is cap space. Around enough to sign their second tier draft picks.

h, they're in LA now. If Goff shows to be a true franchise prospect in ascendance thru the remainder of the season, the FAs will flock to them.

@tiamat63 said:

Put some pieces around him in the Draft? Not unless they get lucky. Don't forget to move up it cost them their first, second and third this year. Next year they're minus their first, and if they don't get a compensatory third- their third rounder goes to the Titans. So they have 2, (maybe not 3), their 4, 5, 6, 7. Lotsa luck Lambs.

to me this is just another example of mortgaging the future when you still have significant holes to fill on your team. So they can use the second rounder on o-line or wr, not both. LOL, they could sell off their 2018 #1 to move up.

@tiamat63 said:

Well....extrapolating this to next year, if the Browns take Trubisky, they might actually have some firepower for him. If Pryor is retained....if Coleman improves from 1st to 2 year. If a couple of the other rookie WRs improve. If Barnidge straigtens out. If Crow/Duke live up to potential, there could be weaponry for good QB.

The big question would be: will our powder be dry...or all wet with a bad situation on the OL.

He has a subpar Oline, Gurley, Tavon Austin and Jared Cook. That's about it. Rams won't begin to know his ceiling until they put some pieces around him which I suspect will happen in the draft.

That said, watched highlights of the game and you certainly see flashes of a #1 overall.

Jury is still out, not ready to gloat.... yet... but after a mixed debut in bad weather, Jared played well vs. Saints in NOLA... not the toughest Defensive test in the league, but it's not nothing.

In another thread I just cited Bill Polian's comment on NFL Insiders previewing last nite's DAL/MN tilt. In the same show he talked about Goff, who he traveled to NOLA to see in person. Here's the gist of his take:

There's no comparison between the Goff we saw struggle in preseason and the one who took the field Sunday. He now has command of the Offense as evidenced by not incurring a single delay penalty in a very noisy dome. And he made every throw you'd expect a #1 pick to make. Clearly he has room to improve more as he is not yet ready to compete in a shoot-out like the one the Saints created, but for the first time the Rams can feel good about their pick... and they do.

I spoke to the Rams staff before the game about what they thought I'd see from Jared and "command" was their answer. He has learned not just the play calling, which was a problem, but also has developed a firm grasp of the offense conceptually.

The Rams had a plan for him, stuck to it and are now positioned to reap the benefits.

Here's his line from the Saints' game: 20/32 for 214 yards with 3 TDs and 1 INT