@diehardbrownsfan said:

Pandering for black votes. Pretty simple. Hillary presumes she has black people in the bag from her husband's connections.

@axe said:

Bernie Sanders is a fucking idiot. What intelligent human being could possibly go to fucking Al the race baiting crook Sharpton?

@westside-steve said:

oh well waddya gonna do? as long as we can finally get some solid talent in the meteorology sciences that confirm what most of us smart folk have already sniffed out for ourselves, than all's well that ends well right?

@clevfan4life said:

yeah well we're gonna have to. Fashion design is all nice and stuff, but it can't be heavily subsidized if at all. I dunno, maybe if this country finally got a clue and brought back hemp we could have a thriving textile industry again and fashion designers could be more useful designing more normal clothes. So what i'm getting it is that what today seems not useful could theoretically be useful in the future. So there has to be a periodic re examination of what subsidize and what we don't. It's all on business's and what they need.

I know. You are correct. I'm just pointing out reality to you chum.

Go ahead, leave out the fashion designers and the actress and the social workers.

See how long it takes you to be branded a homophobe a misogynist and a racist.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

yeah well we're gonna have to. Fashion design is all nice and stuff, but it can't be heavily subsidized if at all. I dunno, maybe if this country finally got a clue and brought back hemp we could have a thriving textile industry again and fashion designers could be more useful designing more normal clothes. So what i'm getting it is that what today seems not useful could theoretically be useful in the future. So there has to be a periodic re examination of what subsidize and what we don't. It's all on business's and what they need.

@clevfan4life said:

ok well we've been over this so no more bringing up degrees like theatre or whatnot. Only skillsets/degrees that business's say there are looking for. I'm not on board with Sanders idea of making anything and everything free of charge.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

ok well we've been over this so no more bringing up degrees like theatre or whatnot. Only skillsets/degrees that business's say there are looking for. I'm not on board with Sanders idea of making anything and everything free of charge.

@clevfan4life said:

Workers are capital steve. What is capitalism without capital right? If workers don't have the skills for available jobs, that's a problem. But people can't just go running back to college any old time they feel like it can they? Mainly cause it costs a lot of money. If education were free or at least in good part subsidized, we could be a more nimble work force. And that means a better econ for everyone. It really is a win win IF the skills being subsidized are what business's need/want.

And if we're all free to follow our muse on Mr Sanders dime I can always go back and get a masters in theater. I will then apply for the lead role in the next Jennifer Aniston movie. We'll see how that works

WSS

WSS

@diehardbrownsfan said:

That's pretty damn funny. But.....he's not wrong. Just might not be the right way to get there, but he isn't wrong.

@westside-steve said:

Workers are capital steve. What is capitalism without capital right? If workers don't have the skills for available jobs, that's a problem. But people can't just go running back to college any old time they feel like it can they? Mainly cause it costs a lot of money. If education were free or at least in good part subsidized, we could be a more nimble work force. And that means a better econ for everyone. It really is a win win IF the skills being subsidized are what business's need/want.

WSS

You jack that to 90%,and the dumb idea that the businesses

won't leave is nonsense.

@mld-woody said:

Don't think so Woody. Many businesses fail if not most. There is no government bail out for the small business owner that fails and it is all risk/reward.

Yeeeeaaahhhhh I think you're overplaying the taxes thing

If you tax away the American dream what incentive is there for an employer? What incentives are there to start a business if the profits are going to be taxed away? Maybe Bernie can get some students free college but then what? Where are they going to work at with no jobs to go to? Move to China?

I want to see an environment where young people have that American dream in front of them that if they work hard and smart and willing to risk their own money there can be a nice payoff. Without that incentive why would anyone even want to start a business?

If they had any kind of useful and marketable skill it shouldn't be a huge hardship to pay off the price of a reasonably nice car for a lifetime of employment.

WSS

@mld-woody said:

of course not, there's business, AG and teaching just to name a few that are "extremely" important. But if you're gonna sell the notion of free college tuition to the American public...it has to revolve around degrees we really see a ROI with. I see no problem with asking kids to get a degree or trade skill that has immediate usefulness AND makes them some cash. With which they can then go back in a few years and get what they want. Seems reasonable to me. I'm not pooing on history or philo. degrees but should we be paying for them?

We shouldn't limit that pool any more

@calfoxwc said:

I've taken you off ignore "for the time being"...please stay reasonable and we can have some good discussions. Ok now to your point, those 200k debts weren't accrued going to art school. They were accrued in high end science and medical degrees. I understand your point about personal responsibility, but if things keep going as they are...we're not going to produce many high end doctors and engineers. Why? Cause won't hardly anybody be able to afford them. And college's won't adjust their prices, you know why? Cause they will be able to maintain their enrollment through wealthy americans but mostly foreign students who are getting subsidized by their govts.

Now think about that last one Cal....high end science degrees going back to their home countries when they're done. You think none of that knowledge is being militarized? See the problem? So are we going to tell college's they can't accept foreign kids anymore? This is how China is catching up to us as quick as they are. We taught em. They will keep paying for their kids to go through the American college mill. And our kids will be left doing what? Not filling desperately needed domestic jobs that's what.