@solon16 said:

Don't forget the NYG with Simms/Hostetller

@mr.-t said:

No Team with a QB controversy has ever won a SB.

Wrong there T....Washington Redskins with Jay shroeder and Williams, New England with Tom Brady and Bledsoe( when Brady got hurt then came back to play in super bowl(big contorversy at the time), just to name a couple....

@ytownbrownsbacker said:

Don't look for Mangini to rebuild this team from the ground up, it isn't his style. He gets rid of underachievers and locker room cancers and brings in productive veterans that are leaders and looks to build teams through the draft. Don't look for high impact FA signings with Mangini. Look for trading down to get more picks. Trading veterans that don't want to be here to get picks. And, look for him to come out of this draft with extra picks for next year.

If you look, he isn't starting over. The lines are basically still intact. The QB and RBs are still the same. The DBs are still here, except for Jones. The only player he traded was Winslow, who wanted a new contract, was suspect to career ending injury and whined in the locker room. TE was also the only position where we had good depth. The others that left were FAs and most were underachievers at positions needing upgraded or guys with injury history that you have to think hard about giving new contracts to.

Mangini isn't starting over, he is purging and reloading.

I couldn't of said it any better. I feel Winslow was trying to squash all the debate and give his endorsement to Quinn. What better person than an X TE from the Browns to give alittle insight on who is the better QB.

I think that we can all remember numerous times that DA would chuck the ball up for grabs and K2 would have to fight or break off routes to try and either catch the ball mor play DB. I will miss K2 he is a football player and has a lot of heart for the game.

Laser Ball ain't your answer.

@ytownbrownsbacker said:

Don't look for Mangini to rebuild this team from the ground up, it isn't his style. He gets rid of underachievers and locker room cancers and brings in productive veterans that are leaders and looks to build teams through the draft. Don't look for high impact FA signings with Mangini. Look for trading down to get more picks. Trading veterans that don't want to be here to get picks. And, look for him to come out of this draft with extra picks for next year.

If you look, he isn't starting over. The lines are basically still intact. The QB and RBs are still the same. The DBs are still here, except for Jones. The only player he traded was Winslow, who wanted a new contract, was suspect to career ending injury and whined in the locker room. TE was also the only position where we had good depth. The others that left were FAs and most were underachievers at positions needing upgraded or guys with injury history that you have to think hard about giving new contracts to.

Mangini isn't starting over, he is purging and reloading.

The silly thing about this post... Some people actually think the Browns had a "starting" Quarterback at the end of last year. They had a QB that showed one game of flash, yet overall didn't do well, but didn't do all that poorly either in DA, a QB that showed one game of flash but didn't do all that well or poorly in his remaining play in BQ, and a couple of other guys who were essentially roster fillers.

You've got idiots who've been saying "this is" so and so's team, but you know what, they've been saying that since summer of '07 and they've yet to be proven right.

The QB thing is still wide open, it could even be someone not currently on the roster. The Coach inherited no clear starter.

(If they both make it to camp.) Trades do happen. I don't believe anyone will offer enough to get the Domer (Quinn) and their isn't enough interest in the probowler (Anderson).

Means we'll probably see the QB competition happen.

Daboll will certainly have enough time to setup plays that will take advantage of each QB's strong points. Before then, people simply need to remember that if Mangini or Kokinis didn't say it, it probably isn't true.

That means that the Plain Dealer is probably overstaffed on the "Browns Beat". Mary Kay should be reassigned to cover the dog show or the cosmetics convention and Tony needs to learn what discretion is.

Remember, the KW2 trade occurred w/o any warning. KW2 used to catch passes from both QBs so his opinion does have value. He is entitled to it. But, he isn't a Brown any more. Best of luck to him.

@sisky-fringo said:

An preference? Sounds to me like you get a little uncomfortable about it. Try to ignore it all you want but I know the real truth, water chestnut aka mini-man.

@kellen-rulez said:

uh no. anonymity is a preference i embrace, not men like you. welcome to my ignore list fruitball.

@sisky-fringo said:

your teeth have got to be so buck they probably double as lip-rests. i'll be sure to call Tampa, maybe Garcia might want to reconsider knowing your "incentives" are now directed their way.

or maybe it's just yikes.

Actually they are, but you don't have to get nasty. I'm sure I could find some things to say about you if you weren't hiding behind some disgusting picture. So why don't you show yourself tuffy?

@kellen-rulez said:

I think Quinn looks good. They should definitely start him over Anderson. He just looks so much better out there.

wow. just wow.

your teeth have got to be so buck they probably double as lip-rests. i'll be sure to call Tampa, maybe Garcia might want to reconsider knowing your "incentives" are now directed their way.

or maybe it's just yikes.

@hammertime said:

Me too.

I think Quinn looks good. They should definitely start him over Anderson. He just looks so much better out there.

edit:I think the moderators must have combined some threads, I'll do the same with my post.

[You guys would look so much better out there if Quinn was your QB.]

If Winslow knows anything it's football, it's like a fish knows water. When he speaks people always seem to listen and he chose to weigh in on this for one reason or another, so for all your sakes I hope Mangini the ball-boy has his ears on.

They ain't selling no Anderson Fat Heads, that's for sure.

@lemosley01 said:

You've got a guy who has as good of qualities as either of the above, and you won't give him a chance because he isn't the guy you picked?

Jesus, the egos in the NFL. I thought Mangini was above that.

Mangini didn't change QBs when he was named Jets coach and there is nothing to say he isn't willing to build this team around Quinn. New coaches don't change QBs unless the team they are going to doesn't have one or has one that's over-the-hill. QBs are the heart of the team and other players follow them.

Don't look for Mangini to rebuild this team from the ground up, it isn't his style. He gets rid of underachievers and locker room cancers and brings in productive veterans that are leaders and looks to build teams through the draft. Don't look for high impact FA signings with Mangini. Look for trading down to get more picks. Trading veterans that don't want to be here to get picks. And, look for him to come out of this draft with extra picks for next year.

If you look, he isn't starting over. The lines are basically still intact. The QB and RBs are still the same. The DBs are still here, except for Jones. The only player he traded was Winslow, who wanted a new contract, was suspect to career ending injury and whined in the locker room. TE was also the only position where we had good depth. The others that left were FAs and most were underachievers at positions needing upgraded or guys with injury history that you have to think hard about giving new contracts to.

Mangini isn't starting over, he is purging and reloading.

Scott Player said:

Better watch it Scott, he might call you a Vagina!

@mario said:

DA our QB for 2009.

Hey Mario!!! Luigi called and your mom says for you to shut the fk up

@mario said:

DA our QB for 2009.

And your rationale/link to an article is....

Gotta love the offseason. Every xxxxing idiot has a xxxxing idiotic and worthless opinion. I just need to stay out of here from the end of the first free agent signing period until Goddell tells me who the Lions are drafting...

DA our QB for 2009.

@mr.-t said:

So which is it? Open competition, or get rid of the competition?

There will be open competition for the job, and DA needs to be traded for whatever we can get. We don need another year of this shit. We drafted BQ and have been waited for 2 years now to see if he can lead us. K2 someone who knows football and holds a good pedigree should hold some clout, especially when he has had to put up with this shit for 2 years. He no longer is a Browns player and is speaking some truth here.

So dont blow this off as hype.

@mr.-t said:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/10/winslow-we...qb-controversy/

This is a QB controversy that needs to go away for the sake of team unity, I agree with Winslow.

The only QB controversy is the one being trumped up by the media, so chill out.

NFL.com - Tight end Kellen Winslow, who the Browns traded to the Buccaneers in February, believes that Brady Quinn should be Cleveland's starting quarterback.

"I would say Brady Quinn," Winslow said when asked who should be the team's starter by The Dayton Daily News.

"I love Derek Anderson. Great quarterback. It just didn't work out. Brady Quinn is coming in, he has tremendous upside. Very calm, very mature and, I mean, give the guy a chance. What's the big deal? I really don't get it. This guy is coming in, he has worked his tail off. I bet you he is there working out right now. Just give him a chance. He is a leader, he is coming into his own. I really don't get what's the hard decision up there. My choice would be Brady Quinn

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/10/winslow-we...qb-controversy/

This is a QB controversy that needs to go away for the sake of team unity, I agree with Winslow.