@gftchris said:

yeah chris, and they all were ROTY candidates.

i know it's not about when we pick (blah the fucking blah) but if anything this new FO should have learned is just because you can get another 2nd round pick, doesn't mean it's the right move.

i've eaten shit from walter, masterace and plenty of others for saying what a great job farmer did trading out of the 4 and picking gilbert........well, WRONGO!

you let your guy slip out of your hands for the likes of some project LB in the 4th round?

GTFO.

@tour2ma said:

Sadly, yes....but we also know that Farmer wasnt gonna make that choice....he said he would've picked Watkins....

@texasag1969 said:

Exactly.....the trade downs were never bad deals.....it was the ensuing picks that completely sucked.....

With the Watkins deal, we could have picked Beckham or Donald and would have made out like bandits.....it was bad picks not bad trades...

@miktoxic said:

LOL! It isn't how they go about picking at all. It's who they go about picking. You can make some trade downs and still pick well, IF you pick well. THAT is the Browns's problem. Sure I liked the JM pick for the Browns (just not for JM). But then I didn't spend $100,000 and not find out what a major problem he had. How did the background investigators for the Browns miss on that anyway? And why did they not know Mayle could not catch? Or that Erving could be blocked consistently into the backfield? Or that our top draft in 2014 was a head case? Makes me question their whole scouting organization. And isn't most of that still intact other that the head honchos? That does not bode well for the upcoming draft.

@miktoxic said:

You mean like last year when we just picked Shelton, Erving, Orchard and Duke with our actual picks?

VesnaKociper said:

If we package our #1 - pick 2 with Joe Thomas, I believe we could move down to #15 or #19.

Seriously, if Joe Thomas died, how would it impact the Browns?

Why even have a line? just replace those aholes with QBs. That'll fix everything....

VesnaKociper said:

If Joe Thomas died, you'd just find something else to bitch about.

@mudfly said:

But, with this whole analytics thing, my take is that it may help them to pick the "safe bet", while eliminating the risk of them taking a full on gamble.....

Baby steps... if year one we can eliminate the blatantly stupid, I'll be happy. I mean the Wheezy-grade stuff we all could see coming.

@tour2ma said:

Well, clearly our draft history is hanging over their heads....whether it makes them nervous or not is another question.....

But, with this whole analytics thing, my take is that it may help them to pick the "safe bet", while eliminating the risk of them taking a full on gamble.....

@mudfly said:

...but I think they are also well aware of our drafting history and dont want to be responsible for the next failure......sooooo, I dont see them picking a QB at #2, unless they feel positive he's the guy...

God, I hope the above is not the case.

If they pick scared based upon their predecessors' piss-poor results, then we've already lost...

Edit-this must be really hard to see for some of you who want a QB as 2nd overall. This is Tour's fav. site for rating and it has Goff @ 10 and Wentz @ 15. So a reach maybe? It's why I'd trade down for extra talent.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/big-board

@texasag1969 said:

agreed....I think they are well aware of the fact we need a QB....top priority.....but I think they are also well aware of our drafting history and dont want to be responsible for the next failure......sooooo, I dont see them picking a QB at #2, unless they feel positive he's the guy.....and, no matter what the pundits say, we have no concept of what the Browns think about any of these guys.....

If they engage in talks for an Osweiler, then that should be enough to indicate they dont want to pick one of these guys early......

@canton-mike said:

It's going to be interesting to see how our analytics guys factor all of this in and what moves, if any, they make before making a pick. Will they decide QB is the key to a turnaround or will they decide edge rushers and run stoppers have more impact. Inquiring minds want to know their conclusions.

Were to drop to 15, I'd hope it was in increments where we could accumulate some R2 and R3 picks. Then assuming the top 2 QB(s)are gone, I'd look at the best LB. Probably Spence, but might be Ragland, who I have warmed to since I saw him work OLB at the Sr. Bowl. Not that I'd move him there, but it's nice to have the versatility...

Mike

@suomi said:

I've been saying this for a long time. The Browns have totally dropped the ball for years in trading away picks and blowing it.

"Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it." I hope Hue hammers this message home at 76 Lou Groza.

Seems like that would be a great place to trade the number two pick, if in fact they rate one of these two guys is highly as some of the Cleveland fans

WSS

@gumby73 said:

Yep, but if your guy is an either/or tossup Goff or Wentz, there is nothing to lose.

So let's say we do trade down to about 6 or so...what do we get? Well, the precedent says we get their first rounder next year, but those deals are going to be harder and harder to come by, but it's doable. However, I think we get their 2016 3rd rounder, and not their second rounder.

@taco918 said:

Ever seen that comic strip where the two surgeons are performing a surgery together and one of them is struggling? The other goes "come on, Bill, it ain't rocket science." Classic.