@mudfly said:

He doesn't have to be highest paid. (except in his own mind) The Broncos will certainly franchise him if they can't work out a long term deal. Manning's salary coming off the books will help.

@canton-mike said:

Brock, post 2015 season, has proven to the NFL about what Cardale, post 2014, proved to OSU as far as the future is concerned.......Big $$ to Brock as a free agent & still unproven? No thanks. I'm with Tour...pay the rookie scale.

Mike

I'd only pay Osweiler that kind of money if I saw the potential to be another Manning. I don't. Goff\ Wentz. Wentz\ Goff. Guaranteed getting one of them. Last year Mariotta got $24 million, 4 years, all guaranteed.

And to the OP, I thought you were bringing up the Kaepernic rumor- just no to that overpaid guy too.

@canton-mike said:

Good post Mike! The day we played Denver - Peyton Manning kept us in the game with a pic 6 and an INT at Denver's 39 yard line. Cleveland doesn't actually provide its QBs with nearly the margin of error Denver's defense allots their QB. For example, when Denver's defense was swarming Brady the day Osweiler started - our's would have been surrendering points. Meaning Osweiler, not to be confused SB dominant caliber defense winning in spite of the QB or for him, wouldn't get that here right away. Big difference bordering on culture shock.

Mike

@clevfan4life said:

Aren't you in another thread worried about race and skin color sensitivities? God bless ya! Bosa for President!

Would you rather pay top dollar or rookie scale for an unproven QB?

you want to fish for qbs why say no to him? i mean it hasn't stopped the browns from drafting/acquiring shit qbs since 99, thinking that guy would be 'the guy', why stop now?

In fact, wouldnt surprise me if they cut him just to save $5 mill in cap space and help pay for the new guy....hard to have a $7-8 million LB on the bench or playing spot duty....Thats almost as silly as paying Bowe $6 million to catch 5 passes....

Last year, Kruger was paid $200,000 plus, per tackle....let THAT soak in....

@clevfan4life said:

With Kruger on the opposite side, what could go wrong?

@mudfly said:

I think the issue is that they have no cap space and want to sign Von Miller, who says he wants to be the highest paid in the league and, therefore, will eat up the little $ they do have.....so, by signing Miller, they can only offer Osweiler like 10-12m....and some other teams can offer more.....

Or...they keep Osweiler and lose Miller....(which we should be HAPPY to sign)

Edit: especially with Shane Ray sitting there. Regardless of which they sign, I'd be on board with signing the other.

Also, if Sheard's presence led to decent productivity from Kruger (which it did), Von's would make an even bigger impact.

@clevfan4life said:

Pretty much the way it goes with SB teams now a days....gotta get the big $ while the iron is hot.....thats why its important to only overpay the right guys and not the ones who are replaceable.....

@tour2ma said:

Well... you have to start somewhere...

Yep...and it would be a damn good place to start....thats one FA signing I could get with easily.....

@mohican said:

I understand, hence why I said 'a luck' not 'luck' and talked about Indy.

@mohican said:

Once I learned to decipher Gumby talk I realized he has a very good football mind.

@gumby73 said:

Farmers best parting gift maybe getting us McCown for a remaining salary of 4.375mill.(spotrac?) & a year to get a rookie QB or 2 under his NFL experience. Maybe no Luck guarantees but full of winner's & game managers. It's all about finding the right QB's that can anticipate the speed of the game is going to get faster..

@gftchris said:

We don't need a luck. If you need a luck to win, we might as well just hand the championship to Indy for the next 10 years, or let them fight with green bay. You need a good QB, sure, but nobody would say Flacco's the best of a generation, or Wilson, or 40-year-old Manning, but with great teams around them they can take you to a championship.

He meant Andrew Luck - why the L was capitalized.....

@mudfly said:

That's my belief as well. It's not that they don't want him, it's a matter of if they can afford him and compete with other teams if he should hit the open market. They've obviously seen enough in him in practice and what little game experience he has over the last 4 years to keep him around each year knowing the starting QB was extremely fragile.

Or...they keep Osweiler and lose Miller....(which we should be HAPPY to sign)

@clevfan4life said:

It's not that the Broncos don't want him, it's that he might opt to go somewhere and get more money. Broncs have to cash out a lot of guys this year, especially on defense...so they might not be able to pay him over 12m, if he's even worth that much ffs. If some team gives him over 12m...holy shit. He needs to start a whole season to see if that's warranted. But he might have the Broncos by the short and curlies. If he bolts, wtf are they gonna do? Peyton's done, his arm will not last another half season.

@mudfly said:

I say...Goff for it.....then draft me some defense....

Fixed...

@mudfly said:

I guess Ill go against the grain and say....why not?....Its Jimmys $, not mine....so I really dont care how much he pays anybody....unless it taps us out and that has yet to happen(we're always under the cap w/money to spare).....

We pay Dezmond Bryant and Paul Kruger $8m a year....we pay Dwayne Bowe $6m a year.....we pay our center $8m a year....

so why not roll the dice on a QB that we desperately need and, so far, has shown he can play pretty good....????

Definitely better than signing a cheaper one who cant play......

I say...Go for it.....then draft me some defense....

Agreed.