<![CDATA[Browns cut Starks and Dray]]>Looks like they've started......Starks and Dray were terminated today.....wonder who's next?

Gotta be Bowe, right?

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-terminate-contracts-of-TE-Jim-Dray-DL-Randy-Starks/5485c3d6-8d29-4f72-8207-846118a754aa

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@tour2ma said:

Sad, modern-day version of "club in the tub"...

But who knows how much "stuff" we never heard about back in the 60's...

Dandy Don & Co. could have told some wild tales. Oh wait. "North Dallas Forty" Pete Gent.

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@hoorta said:

"Talent goes to hell, if it sits in a cell."

Sad, modern-day version of "club in the tub"...

But who knows how much "stuff" we never heard about back in the 60's...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/580769https://brownsboard.com/post/580769Tue, 23 Feb 2016 14:37:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Browns cut Starks and Dray on Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:15:13 GMT]]>Spence had problems that got him off OSU. But like Von Miller, it appears he has learned an kickstarted his career pretty well. I could live with him in a trade down if we don't go the QB route.

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@hoorta said:

Glad you brought up Armonty- who's fer sure gonna get suspended. So you like jailbird talent? Right on. Take a hint. Zero, and I mean ZERO chance the Browns have any interest in Hardy.

"Talent goes to hell, if it sits in a cell."

We will leave the jailbirds of the world to Shitsburg & Vicks of the world. But it's time we take some risk on some playmakers coming threw the door cause the only one's we see our those for money on old used parts. Hue wants to win, lets see how far he's willing to go?

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@hoorta said:

No we don't. Aldon Smith? He would help us exactly zero, since he's suspended.Hardy is one woman slap away from joining him in a year suspension. Burfect's anger management issues finally cost him 4 games. Sometimes guys like Honey Badger get their shit together, but 9 times out of 10 they don't. 20\20 hindsight says Manziel wasn't worth the risk & headache either. Problem is- these guys have been told they can do no wrong since grade school, & how f**king great they are playing football. Some of them never grow up. That is, until they spend a couple years in jail- like Mike Vick.

The guys don't have to be choir boys- but they do have to stay off police reports.

I believe Smith gets to play a total of a full season between 2015 and 2016. When he plays, he's very good. Instead we have, well, our group of OLBs, who will play two full seasons and be mediocre.

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@gumby73 said:

God I love this place. where else can you go to read Now Bosa sucks. Mack can't do Jack nor can Myles. But even thou a x Buckeye in Noah Spence fails drug test & test positive for Ecstasy it's ok cause he's the Best Pass Rusher 😮🙂. Did we pass on Shane Ray Over Erving cause of a Dubbie in ashtray? Is Armonty Bryant our greatest talent that runs around with pills & guns? Drop to 4, Dallas gives me their headache in Hardy (Now Bosa,Jack & Spence) & our QB @4 (Goff or Wentz) & I will take my chances EITHER WAY!! Hell my next move is how can I get from 32 to 19 Bills to get Mario Williams, if your the highest paid defense you mize well play like it. Screw Denver!!

Glad you brought up Armonty- who's fer sure gonna get suspended. So you like jailbird talent? Right on. Take a hint. Zero, and I mean ZERO chance the Browns have any interest in Hardy.

"Talent goes to hell, if it sits in a cell."

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/580705https://brownsboard.com/post/580705Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:20:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Browns cut Starks and Dray on Tue, 23 Feb 2016 00:01:09 GMT]]>God I love this place. where else can you go to read Now Bosa sucks. Mack can't do Jack nor can Myles. But even thou a x Buckeye in Noah Spence fails drug test & test positive for Ecstasy it's ok cause he's the Best Pass Rusher 😮🙂. Did we pass on Shane Ray Over Erving cause of a Dubbie in ashtray? Is Armonty Bryant our greatest talent that runs around with pills & guns? Drop to 4, Dallas gives me their headache in Hardy (Now Bosa,Jack & Spence) & our QB @4 (Goff or Wentz) & I will take my chances EITHER WAY!! Hell my next move is how can I get from 32 to 19 Bills to get Mario Williams, if your the highest paid defense you mize well play like it. Screw Denver!!

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@flyin-j said:

Most guys with perceived character issues get their shit together eventually. I dont give a fuck what these guys are like off the field, I want W's. Draft the guys who fall due to character concerns. Sign guys like Aldon Smith and Greg Hardy. Bet we would have loved La'el Collins in the 7th Rd last year, we would be creaming in our pants of we would have drafted Mathieu. Without this being a viable landing spot for top FA's we have to take risks to get the most talent we can through those doors.

No we don't. Aldon Smith? He would help us exactly zero, since he's suspended.Hardy is one woman slap away from joining him in a year suspension. Burfect's anger management issues finally cost him 4 games. Sometimes guys like Honey Badger get their shit together, but 9 times out of 10 they don't. 20\20 hindsight says Manziel wasn't worth the risk & headache either. Problem is- these guys have been told they can do no wrong since grade school, & how f**king great they are playing football. Some of them never grow up. That is, until they spend a couple years in jail- like Mike Vick.

The guys don't have to be choir boys- but they do have to stay off police reports.

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@mudfly said:

Right....lets be real....the Browns have been burned over and over again with these kinds of guys.....they'd be insane to bring in any more "known" character issues.....completely insane....

And, if they do, then I know they have the wrong guys running the show....again....

Most guys with perceived character issues get their shit together eventually. I dont give a fuck what these guys are like off the field, I want W's. Draft the guys who fall due to character concerns. Sign guys like Aldon Smith and Greg Hardy. Bet we would have loved La'el Collins in the 7th Rd last year, we would be creaming in our pants of we would have drafted Mathieu. Without this being a viable landing spot for top FA's we have to take risks to get the most talent we can through those doors.]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/580657https://brownsboard.com/post/580657Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:44:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Browns cut Starks and Dray on Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:42:54 GMT]]>

@mudfly said:

Its not just about good guy bad guy either.....if you cant stay on the field, you are no help to your team. Period.

And if your trying to improve the culture and build team chemistry, these types of guys are counter productive and create a certain level of hypocrisy in the message you trying to send....

And dealing will a mountain of crap so a guy can play a handful of games makes no sense.....so guys like Hardy, Aldon Smith, Albert Haynesworth, etc aren't worth it, because they are proven to be unreliable...simply put, you cant made tackles when you're suspended....

amen to that...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/580656https://brownsboard.com/post/580656Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:42:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Browns cut Starks and Dray on Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:33:35 GMT]]>"Thomas sucks... definitely... definitely sucks... Uh-oh... Time for Wapner."

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VesnaKociper said:

Joe Thomas. Mister "no-effect"

The Joe Thomas hater is on the right.

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VesnaKociper said:

Joe Thomas. Mister "no-effect"

First we need to find a quarterback that doesn't hold onto the ball for 10 seconds (McCown) or a guy who likes to party more than play football.

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VesnaKociper said:

Joe Thomas. Mister "no-effect"

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]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/580546https://brownsboard.com/post/580546Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:30:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Browns cut Starks and Dray on Mon, 22 Feb 2016 03:04:49 GMT]]>Busting out the conspiracies now I see.

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@hoorta said:

Yup, Hue says character is gonna matter. Hardy might be a great player, but he'd probably be in jail if he didn't pay the ex-GF off to drop charges.

Right....lets be real....the Browns have been burned over and over again with these kinds of guys.....they'd be insane to bring in any more "known" character issues.....completely insane....

And, if they do, then I know they have the wrong guys running the show....again....

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@wargograw said:

You guys wouldn't trade Johnny for Greg Hardy? An elite talent? Y'all serious? Ridiculous.

I'm surprised we cut Starks. Good player. Certainly thought we had worse on the DL. I know, I know, he got that one critical taunting penalty. God forbid. Like no good player has ever done that.

Farmer still winning the battle versus Pettine on Bowe so far.

Bowe is as good as gone March 9th

@mudfly said:

Its not just about good guy bad guy either.....if you cant stay on the field, you are no help to your team. Period.

And if your trying to improve the culture and build team chemistry, these types of guys are counter productive and create a certain level of hypocrisy in the message you trying to send....

And dealing will a mountain of crap so a guy can play a handful of games makes no sense.....so guys like Hardy, Aldon Smith, Albert Haynesworth, etc aren't worth it, because they are proven to be unreliable...simply put, you cant made tackles when you're suspended....

Yup, Hue says character is gonna matter. Hardy might be a great player, but he'd probably be in jail if he didn't pay the ex-GF off to drop charges.

@wargograw said:

1 season does not a player make. He owns the Panthers sack record and he had 4 sacks in one game.

Bet he also owns the Panthers arsenal record too. Would have gotten the Ray Rice treatment, if Jerry didn't tell Goodell to back off.

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@tour2ma said:

If 6 sacks in 12 games is "elite" the bar has gotten very low...

1 season does not a player make. He owns the Panthers sack record and he had 4 sacks in one game.

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@gumby73 said:

Kinda what I thought when he was in Carolina also. Bosa no angel at OSU imo. Meyer can't be that honest. A proven 32 QB pressures with 6 sacks a pick & 35 tackles may add up to what Hue put up with with Burprick & Pacman Jones in his room before.This rebuild should be something to watch.

Did it really take Hardy 6-8 seconds to pressure a QB 32 times. I don't think so. 6 sacks. take away the Tits game we may have 6 all season. No wonder Singleterry was screaming "We Want Winners". Come on Hue, Get Horton some Weapons. I want to win with Weapons on or off the field at this damn point. we are literally dying off for a winner here again..

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/580090https://brownsboard.com/post/580090Sat, 20 Feb 2016 11:56:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Browns cut Starks and Dray on Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:32:39 GMT]]>hardy is a violent felon. johnny is a lazy spoiled brat. 2 different scenarios altogether.

don't want either on the team i root for.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/580087https://brownsboard.com/post/580087Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:32:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Browns cut Starks and Dray on Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:32:37 GMT]]>If 6 sacks in 12 games is "elite" the bar has gotten very low...

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@logicisforsquares said:

Hardy has gun play problems as opposed to Johnny just being a lazy employee with a drinking problem.

Ok, but he's elite, so who cares?

Mud you have a valid point that I would refute by saying just get rid of them if they get suspended again. So far, no evidence Hardy is going to. And I would happily pay Smith just to get the one full season over two years that he's going to give the Raiders.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/580080https://brownsboard.com/post/580080Sat, 20 Feb 2016 08:06:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Browns cut Starks and Dray on Sat, 20 Feb 2016 06:43:15 GMT]]>Don't see Hunter making it to the 3rd, but if there, then you have to nab him.

@mudfly said:

Ahhh....Wiesnewski was the guy I wanted last year....versatile and affordable....that would work for me....

Pretty sure I knew that... Also nabbed another guy you might be interested in....

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And after the FA sim I used FanSpeak's Draft, but think I'll redo with FirstPick's... just not the same without some trade action. But FanSpeak does have the compensatory picks in the sim now...

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]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/580074https://brownsboard.com/post/580074Sat, 20 Feb 2016 06:43:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Browns cut Starks and Dray on Sat, 20 Feb 2016 00:04:46 GMT]]>I'm going out on a limb and saying that we target Hunter Henry in the 3rd. He's far better all around than anyone else we have or had.

And we just made room by dropping Dray.

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