VesnaKociper said:

Zombo said:

Yea, me too.....and I watched Bill Russell play and Wilt.....who may actually by far be the GOAT when it came to individual dominance. Its just that the teams he was on didn't quite play the way the Celtics did.

@the-gipper said:

I watched him play.

Zombo

Zombo said:

On the other hand...perhaps Jordan was just a product of Phil Jackson's coaching. After all, Jackson won 5 more titles with a Jordan like clone in Kobe Bryant.

@baconhound said:

Numbers? Then it is Bill Russell: 11 Championships. And isn't winning titles what its all about?

@baconhound said:

I'll take Jordan over anybody.

My original point. The 4 GOATs

Zombo

Zombo said:

Love Bird but the numbers don't lie Michael Jordan

@the-gipper said:

I take Magic over Jordan.

I take Bird over Magic.

Z

Zombo said:

I take Magic over Jordan.

VesnaKociper said:

Too hard to sculpt a swan dive.

VesnaKociper said:

This honestly might be the most poignant thing you have ever said.

@jrb12711 said:

+1

And it doesn't take more than 5 minutes of an interview with Jim Brown to sum him up, egomaniacal badass. That is probably what made him such a great football player but era doesn't excuse it, may rationalize, but doesn't make it right. Let's not forget the Cleveland Browns, a team that in recent his is begging for positivity to sell it's fans, told him to get the fuck out (Holmgren)

@wargograw said:

There's a difference between "beating" and a slap. It's my impression the latter used to be moderately condoned.

There was a very popular tv show at the time called The Honeymooners. A common phrase there was.. To the moon Alice.... Implying a slap. Or more. I was a kid then but I knew what it meant. The Romans liked their blood sports too. We should tear down all that exists of them because they thought it entertaining to feed humans to lions?

@jrb12711 said:

No, it doesn't. Maybe where ever the fuck you're from it was okay to hit women, but where I was raised in Ohio it sure as shit wasn't. In fact, my grandfather told me at 84 years old that if I ever laid a wrong hand on my wife he'd personally beat the crap out of me. He has a story about a neighbor who was a wife beater who was in a coma after the neighborhood took care of it. It was never "historically okay" to beat defenseless women, so saying it's part of Jim Brown's era as an excuse is honestly just sobering that people see it that way.

Nope it wasn't alright then. You're right about that. That is why he was investigated and charged. And he atoned acording to those times. Now to repunish him is whats called double jeopardy. He didn't kill and did his time.

@flyingfooldoug said:

No, it doesn't. Maybe where ever the fuck you're from it was okay to hit women, but where I was raised in Ohio it sure as shit wasn't. In fact, my grandfather told me at 84 years old that if I ever laid a wrong hand on my wife he'd personally beat the crap out of me. He has a story about a neighbor who was a wife beater who was in a coma after the neighborhood took care of it. It was never "historically okay" to beat defenseless women, so saying it's part of Jim Brown's era as an excuse is honestly just sobering that people see it that way.

is just that, and I'll never respect him as much as Leroy Kelly.

@flyingfooldoug said:

You are literally justifying a man beating up a woman because he played football well, both of you are. We joke and have a good time around here but that's honestly just deplorable. If it's being self-righteous to not support a woman-beater, than call me a self-righteous asshole I suppose. Time doesn't make that okay.

@jrb12711 said:

I'm just not sure I can get past what Jim Brown did in his past. I get a lot of charges were dismissed, but that's the same as saying Bill Cosby never assaulted women because he was never convicted. We rip Ray Rice and Big Ben for actions they weren't charged for but Jim Brown gets a pass and that's just dumb. To go to the level of putting up a statue is really dubious to me and something that just doesn't need to be done.

When you try to judge yesteryears events according to today's moral values...it don't work. Dames used to get slapped in the movies all the time and it WAS accepted in the community. Not today tho. And to add too Zs post. Read about Ty Cobb and then get self righteous.

This guy is the the greatest FOOTBALL PLAYER of all time, he's done bad things, he's done good things, but he's a once in a lifetime talent and he's ours.

Babe Ruth

Jim Brown

Michael Jordan

Wayne Gretzky

There is only four of them. And the one that played the most popular sport in the USA was ours.

He threw a model off a balcony ... alledgedly ..

And it was a one-story balcony. Who hasn't done that?

Some windshields were broken, some charges never stuck, and lots of kids grew up in a better environment thanks to Jim Brown.

Whatever. He's Babe Ruth.

New York slobbers all over his hot dog eating, fat ass, sexist, pure white records.

Cleveland wants to apologize because Brown misbehaved 50 years ago. Grow up. No one can stop him, no one ever could, cant wait to get my picture taken in front of the statue.

Z

@jrb12711 said:

30 year old 'memories' I don't buy.