@medicineman said:

My next fart in the wind is coming your way Medi-son. Flugel Downwind with no postage required.

You see that? That's called stink with a compass. The irony here is if your QB had a compass he wouldn't stink.

- Tom F. (Have we learned the difference between Summer's Cool & Summer School yet? Baby steps!)

@medicineman said:

So, you don't know what a taint is?

Here's a clue.

You are not far from it.

Maybe I should bring inspecta as a bodyguard.

How does everybody else feel about Cam Cameron?

@medicineman said:

Buh Bye ! ! !

@medicineman said:

Yes, of course there is. Cam Cameron had his head in a dark place that day.

Taint all bad tho'. Because he didn't really do his job, look at how active the Browns Board is.

@medicineman said:

And he was light years better than DA 3 years into the NFL, let alone 4 years in. He has this little ability DA doesn't, and that's to get better than he was in HS.

@flugel said:

DA's first 3 starts were 0-3 football with start #3 being a 4 INT performance vrs the TB team we coin flipped for the 3rd overall pick in 2007. Meanwhile, Quinn's first 2 starts we avaeraged 30 points and won half those starts. Better grip? Think about it.

Furthermore, when DA regressed - that's a lost grip. You are what your record say you are 4-12. We didn't need to get rid of Trent Dilfer if that's all we wanted.

Chud came here for 1 reason and that was to find the BEST way to utilize the TE named Winslow. When Winslow says he prefers Quinn as his starter - guess what's going on with grip of the offense?

That Oakland game wouldn't have been close enough for comfort without Cribbs returning a kick for a score. Neither would the 2nd Steelers game in 07 if we subtracted Cribbs 2 kickoff returns that trevalled more than 93 yards. Go get the game summary of the 07 rematch at Pitt and count the number of second half 3 and outs led by DA. You'll see why the D was exhausted. You'll also see why none of the REAL AFC contenders took our 10-6 very seriously. We couldn't beat 1 AFC playoff team or anyone with more than 8 wins in our conference.

When Charlie Weis told his buddy RAC this is your best QB already (on draft day) - what do suppose the message was? He's SMART, NFL-ready and 1st round justifiable. Playing deaf, dumb and blind to that led to a lot of pink slips including Chud. I don't feel bad for anyone that was a part of that absurdity because 1 scoreboard after another declared us losers.

- Tom F.

phuck me! had a whole post and just accidentally hit the back button.

to sum up....

Cribbs was also playing in the three Brady played, Tom. it's a team sport of course. the difference is when Lewis had those two fumbles against the Texans Romeo didn't have the confidence in Quinn to pull us out of the hole, not even when they had 11 penalties to our 5.

it's no wonder what helped his decision: (besides the passes into triple coverage in both games) the week prior he witnessed his defense playing on fire vs. the Bills, yet 3 INTs in 5 possessions garnered a whopping 6 points from Dawson. good thing he was 5/5 that day, because Brady was 14/36. a turnover ratio of +4 shouldn't keep a game that close. more later.

@plumcrazy73 said:

You say phuck collage stats when it goes against the angle you are pushing but i bet if they backed you up you would not say that.

If you think it was due to Fraley missing his block prove it. you say you have all the games.

it said as much in the link he posted.

happy egg day all.

i'll read and reply later Tom, gotta go eat the ears off some kids bunny.

mz. said:

You ask for proof, your opponent gets proof, then you blame it on Hank Fraley and Jason Taylor, then ignore everything else. Wonderful.

You're right, there is nothing to see here.

it's consistent with my previous posts, if you read them. two examples is a far cry from 32.

scouting reports from 5 years ago? yeah, he pwned me for sure.

@sisky-fringo said:

keep movin' along folks.....nothing to see here.....

While I am loath to get into this lovely fracas, I have to respond to this ridiculous post.

You ask for proof, your opponent gets proof, then you blame it on Hank Fraley and Jason Taylor, then ignore everything else. Wonderful.

You're right, there is nothing to see here.

You say phuck collage stats when it goes against the angle you are pushing but i bet if they backed you up you would not say that.

If you think it was due to Fraley missing his block prove it. you say you have all the games.

@sisky-fringo said:

why would he do that? it could be that his preference is "W's" rather than potentially hanging up the season, but politics say that the fans would endure possible losses with a rookie at the helm-especially if said rookie is Brady Quinn. i know i'd understand.

which brings me full circle to the possibility Quinn's grip of Chud's offense was the problem.

If grip on the offense was your concern, what in the 2007 preseason made you feel good about Frye and DA combining for 1 TD pass? Compare that to Quinn's first outing same preseason and tell me who had better grip to let er rip. The guy gettign a fraction of the reps shouldn't have looked so much better than the other 2 clowns but he did.

DA's first 3 starts were 0-3 football with start #3 being a 4 INT performance vrs the TB team we coin flipped for the 3rd overall pick in 2007. Meanwhile, Quinn's first 2 starts we avaeraged 30 points and won half those starts. Better grip? Think about it.

Furthermore, when DA regressed - that's a lost grip. You are what your record say you are 4-12. We didn't need to get rid of Trent Dilfer if that's all we wanted.

Chud came here for 1 reason and that was to find the BEST way to utilize the TE named Winslow. When Winslow says he prefers Quinn as his starter - guess what's going on with grip of the offense?

That Oakland game wouldn't have been close enough for comfort without Cribbs returning a kick for a score. Neither would the 2nd Steelers game in 07 if we subtracted Cribbs 2 kickoff returns that trevalled more than 93 yards. Go get the game summary of the 07 rematch at Pitt and count the number of second half 3 and outs led by DA. You'll see why the D was exhausted. You'll also see why none of the REAL AFC contenders took our 10-6 very seriously. We couldn't beat 1 AFC playoff team or anyone with more than 8 wins in our conference.

When Charlie Weis told his buddy RAC this is your best QB already (on draft day) - what do suppose the message was? He's SMART, NFL-ready and 1st round justifiable. Playing deaf, dumb and blind to that led to a lot of pink slips including Chud. I don't feel bad for anyone that was a part of that absurdity because 1 scoreboard after another declared us losers.

- Tom F.

i have all the games myself, no need to link anything btw.

so you cite one by the skins premier defensive end and one in san fran that was probably due to Fraley missing his block--coulda happened to anybody. and phuck college stats.

keep movin' along folks.....nothing to see here.....

@sisky-fringo said:

Of you want game tape, Im sorry I dont have any.. mostly due to the fact that no one would actually waste the time or film of putting together a DA suckage collection

But what I do have for you is scouting reports (with links), and exerpts from articles that state this as a fact....

Enjoy:

][/size]At Oregon State he was known for throwing interceptions and being indecisive in the pocket. Along with 79 TDâ€s he had 57 interceptions. In 2003 his 24 picks tied a Pac-10 season record. One scouting report read, "He fumbled 23 times, 14 resulting in turnovers and his indecision in the pocket resulted in him being sacked 95 times." Another college scouting report said he gets passes batted down at the line, and that he "locks in on a receiver." In his two games this year Anderson has had two passes batted down and two interceptions, but seems to have conquered the field awareness issue. His two interceptions have been on poor throws.

http://www.ravens24x7.com/column_view.php?...mp;view=archive

hen, factor in his terrible decision to go for it Sunday on a 4th-and-goal, instead of kicking a field goal, which would have made it a 14-6 (ONE POSSESSION!) game with over five minutes left. You have to get points in that situation. You absolutely, positively MUST get points.

And what happens? Anderson has his 14th pass batted down at the line of scrimmage, we turn it over on downs, and find ourselves down TWO possessions with five minutes left.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/70998-d...nnel-need-to-go

QB Derek Anderson struggled, especially in the second half. He looked flustered and confused the entire game. His accuracy was terrible and he got several balls batted down at the line of scrimmage. Anderson was lucky to only throw three interceptions.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2008/0...recap-cle-3.php

On the next play, Anderson's third-down pass was batted down by Jason Taylor....

Anderson's fourth-down pass was batted down at 5:48 by Demetric Evans, who scraped off Hank Fraley.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...inconsiste.html

Would you like me to seve you some more Fringo?

PWNED!

P.S. Theres also a few of his college scouting reports that say he gets alot of passes bated down for a guy his height.

P.S.S.

Oh, and before you respond, make sure to take DA's nuts out of your mouth, I cant understand you otherwise

@flugel said:

- Tom F.

i certainly can't disagree with you there Flugel. Rac was still trying to win games when he should have been reviewing the roster. i try to give the head coach some credit though, because it doesn't make sense.

why would he do that? it could be that his preference is "W's" rather than potentially hanging up the season, but politics say that the fans would endure possible losses with a rookie at the helm-especially if said rookie is Brady Quinn. i know i'd understand.

which brings me full circle to the possibility Quinn's grip of Chud's offense was the problem. had he reported to camp on time it couldn't have hurt his chances coming into that SF game, that's for sure. a holdout before the sophomore class year-not as much of a big deal.

having the opportunity to attend Chud University the day the school opened, and holding-out for essentially the same contract result, is something i still hold against him. in my mind it's a piece of the "how did we get here" puzzle, and one we shouldn't ignore. wide-eyed rookies need accountability too, especially when their selfish decisions might be hindering the plans of an 800 million dollar business who just mortgaged the future to get him in here NOW.

to give Phil a parting gift, i recognize his attempts to put some pieces in place, but Baxter, Bentley, Staph, Quinn holdout, hammies, ugh. how dismal. he might just want to focus on finding that voodoo doll and destroying it before filling out any more applications.

just imagine--if Quinn played that game and won maybe it would have started a chain of events leading to Derek not having been declared the starter last year and right now we'd have a whole new situation entirely. (!) but he didn't, and we don't have all the facts. then again, maybe it would still be the exact same since Quinn doesn't appear to be head and shoulders above DA. cuz that's what we need in all honesty is improvement upon what we had in '08. if one of them squeaks by the other in camp this year ill probably freak out. but i hope it's Quinn if one does, cuz this fanbase needs to know the truth, either way.

@sisky-fringo said:

i could post proper grammer, if i chose, and exactly where would it get me?

since when does a fan in the stands need proper grammer anyway? what a bunch of fickle fux.

not to speak for medicineman, but you're not worth his time or effort to do so IMO.

i see a bunch of bullies piling on, chastizing a fellow Brownie for bleeding Brown and Orange.

form follows function, and i recognize passion when i see it.

somewhere along the way you guys have gotten seriously confused.

all you snobs can lick my plate, you dog dicks.

Sisky, Don't worry about your grammar, spelling, first person, third person or Shakespeare. We've all gone at it in here so all you gotta do is make a point and try to prove it with examples.

SOME of us pack a punch for Lummy's frat boys going Hallmark for Derek Anderson in here everyday. I don't think you're in this category based on what I've seen. You had a really insightful strength and conditioning take I enjoyed not too long ago so there's more to you. Not only that, but student body west roots against the Browns when DA doesn't start. Hence, their reception or lack thereof in here. I can't speak for anyone else but I've disagreed with fans in 1 thread and gave them a "thatta boy" in another.

I'd LIKE to straighten you out about DA having more than enough auditions to show us a "progressing QB." Again, Brian Sipe WON games, which WON hearts here over the first round hotshot. That said, the first round hotshot got plenty of auditions to prove himself before Sipe did this. If we gave up Paul Warfield to GET Phipps at #3 overall - it wasn't gonna be EASY to prefer another QB to Phipps. Just know there's ALOT of Sipe fans that aren't seeing Sipe's composure, intellect or accuracy in DA. Nor are they seeing better with every start or an ability to overcome a shakey start by closing the game with confident brilliance that gives us a W.

The lingering SHOCK around here is that we gave an expensive golden invitation for an audition to Brady Quinn while we opted to give tenure to the guy with the invitation on recycled paper. Doesn't make sense. We obvioulsy weren't on our way to a post season last year NOR should we have allowed DA to start the SF game the year before IF we had a 1st round alternative following 4 INTs at Cincy. Commentators everywhere without ego to fulfill wondered why the Browns wouldn't get BQ a start in a meaningless game with SF. All this pretention we had Brett Favre in tenure over here only infuriorated fans further. If we did it right, we'd KNOW what Brady Quinn has. Training camp battles don't prove shit when you remember Frye WON the job without 1 TD pass in 4 preseason games in 07.

I think Ballpeen said it best - winning cures all. It's the difference between a Kurt Warner story and an early midnight for Cinderella.

- Tom F.

@inspecta said:

how so? seems fair enough to me. make an assessment, back it up. it takes leather balls to play rugby, spec.

Why the hell does he get so many passes batted down at the line, wheras quinn is shorter and it doesnt happen, I can gurantee almost 1-2 batted down balls a game from him

why do i need to research something i know to be completely false? he addressed me, it's up to him to prove his point. and this definitely needs some backing up. it's more like the inverse of the truth.

furthermore, DA is about as lanky these days as Peyton Manning.

it's ok if you don't value credit from me. it isn't for you anyway. why do you think they rarely reply even when you try to defend them? personally i would take much satisfaction proving sisky fringo wrong.

i'm not saying i'm always right, but i'll admit if i'm wrong. sometimes getting your due from someone is more about the person wrong giving something up, rather than the correct person earning some "reward".

@oldcrow1945 said:

There are so many intelligent posters on this board, so it's that the kind of stuff that keeps this board so much fun....There has to be some comic relief.

you should never confuse intelligence with spelling Old Crow. it always says much more about you than it ever does them.

i could post proper grammer, if i chose, and exactly where would it get me?

since when does a fan in the stands need proper grammer anyway? what a bunch of fickle fux.

not to speak for medicineman, but you're not worth his time or effort to do so IMO.

i see a bunch of bullies piling on, chastizing a fellow Brownie for bleeding Brown and Orange.

form follows function, and i recognize passion when i see it.

somewhere along the way you guys have gotten seriously confused.

all you snobs can lick my plate, you dog dicks.

@playgroundlegend said:

Why the hell does he get so many passes batted down at the line, wheras quinn is shorter and it doesnt happen, I can gurantee almost 1-2 batted down balls a game from him, it makes no sense, it is even listed in his scouting report that he gets an unusual number of balls batted down at the line for his size.

which games were these? do the leg work for me and i'll check it out. if i see you are correct, you will get what's due you. but....i believe ur counting ghosts. check out some NFL.

@tobalaz said:

How about this one?

He handed wins 11, 12 and 13 to Oakland, Arizona and Cincitucki on silver platter or we would have been in the playoffs.

Hell if he would have done better than a Goofy's "Aw shucks, at least it wasn't 5 picks!" then we'd all be hailing him as a savior not a one year wonder.

And maybe we all wouldn't be so hard on the guy if Lummy hadn't antagonized the living hell out of all of us by calling us Quinn fags any time we said anything that could have possibly been considered negative.

I'll admit most of my animosity towards Drive Assasin comes from being attacked by Lums every time I pointed out one of DA's faults.

As a matter of fact, I wasn't sold on Quinn before we drafted him and still am not sure, but before we trade or let walk away a 1st round pick I want to see if the kid can cut the mustard or not.

you guys are seriously fukking delirious. i'm not singling you out Tobalaz (you even got a caps from me there), you just happened to start this 11, 12, & 13 thing.

all you need to remember is we lost Oakland due to a blocked field goal and were a K2 leg in bounds of winning the ARZ game. cincy....yeah, well.....ok. live by the pass, die by the pass.

i can remember the steelers getting in the super bowl in '05 due to a missed field goal in the championship, we gonna be like them and blame a lost game by missed fg on DA the way they gave Big Gay Ben the credit for a missed one?

remember them both how you like, but i watched my team stay in both games up until the very last 5 seconds--i'll take that every day of my life over what we experienced at the end of '08. want someone to criticize, how about Dorsey or Gradkowski?

they were also a fg away from winning the pitts game, by just a yard or two. it would have been a distance record at Heinz Field, like 50 yards or something. definitely in that one too. and that ravens game. DA and CO. had ten wins, w/ a possible 13 or 14 winnable.

it's gotta be homoerotic, it's just gotta be. especially the way you all try to flip it and call realism for DA's play a "manwagon". to me it's akin to the prepubescent "skunk smells his own hole first".

this has been a pretty cool social experiment i must say, and i've learned quite a bit about the vocal cross-section of my peer fan base through it. come out come out, wherever you are.