@the-gipper said:

@texasag1969 said:

If that were true then SB should have kept his mouth shut concerning the importance of retaining our own FA's. Mislead Browns fans into thinking that was part of the plan.

Well Sashi was the head bean counter last year, and now he's got final say. It's day 2. With all respects to Mud- for Sashi & DePo being a Harvard Grads, I'd say they flunked day one- badly.

@the-gipper said:

If that were true then SB should have kept his mouth shut concerning the importance of retaining our own FA's. Mislead Browns fans into thinking that was part of the plan.

@mudfly said:

Well, the skinflints I am talking about is Sashi Brown and DePodesta, not Haslam. They and their analytics have now been put in charge....and I think JH is letting them do their thing here. And this may be a part of their thing.

Its not that they are cheap.....its that they pick the wrong talent to pay.....almost every time.....

I know Im pretty much alone in thinking they made a couple of right choices on who NOT to over pay yesterday......So lets wait and see if they get something right this year.....

new day....new draft....and another spring has sprung....

@the-gipper said:

If we pulled a higher, counter offer that the agent wanted to shop around, then I think that is a principled stand.

"Best, cheapest..."??? Not so much...

@runyon27 said:

I don't know.....maybe it is just a matter of principle to them. Get the best, cheapest bargain you can.

Some of the biggest, cheapest skinflints you will ever run across are people with a ton of money. That is how some of them got rich.

@calfoxwc said:

Yeah but this franchise is one big Booboo

$1 more...or less.

It ain't over til we SAY it's over.

@texasag1969 said:

Sashi should have been chasing their cars and hoping they come back. "WITH YOUR HELP WE CAN GET TO 4-12!!!"

@mr.-make-believe said:

Nope... already posted that a 3-yr, $7.5mm average with 60% guaranteed was fine by me and if 5-yr, then $8mm and 50% was OK. Would have put Mitch solidly atop the RT pay scale... a position he earned.

Plus when there is no injury history or work ethic concerns, you pay up front... a schedule which would also fit with a rookie QB deal.

lose plenty of games, especially to the Browns. We'll see how it goes.

@hoorta said:

I'm just incredulous at the whole damn day.

@mike-h said:

@mike-h said:

Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL

Mitchell Schwartz Chiefs deal: $33 million, $15M gtd, $7M signing bonus, salaries $750K, $4.9M, $5.7M, $6M, $6M

Mitchell Schwartz base salaries fully gtdin 2016, 2017; 2018 gtd for injury at signing, full gt if on roster third day 2018 league year

Now I'm pissed- I'd be 100% happy with those numbers.

@mike-h said:

Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL

Mitchell Schwartz Chiefs deal: $33 million, $15M gtd, $7M signing bonus, salaries $750K, $4.9M, $5.7M, $6M, $6M

Mitchell Schwartz base salaries fully gtdin 2016, 2017; 2018 gtd for injury at signing, full gt if on roster third day 2018 league year

Going by these numbers, it's entirely possible that the Browns' rumored offer was more lucrative than the one he eventually signed for.

And even if it wasn't, am I the only one that would have been completely fine with these terms?

I know, I know. I have to have patience.

But if we're bringing in a rookie QB, we need to be able to protect him. And in my opinion, letting Schwartz go for a little over $6M/yr is... sloppy.

Mitchell Schwartz base salaries fully gtdin 2016, 2017; 2018 gtd for injury at signing, full gt if on roster third day 2018 league year

@mike-h said:

Gotta think the guaranteed money makes him impossible to trade. Don't think the Browns will cut him.

@baconhound said:

Haden has one of the most inflated, bad contracts in the NFL. Hasn't been a top 5 corner (or even sniffed that territory) in 2 years since he signed it.

If anyone needs to go, it's him next.

@d-bone said:

I like the sarcasm but the two highest paid players are a 31 year old LT and a concussion prone DB at $24 million. If "blowing this up" was truly what this is all about people better not get upset when Thomas gets moved for a 6th rounder on draft day.

@the-gipper said:

Rumor is that the Browns may have pulled the offer to Schwartz because they have their eye on a different ROT that would actually be a better deal for them....analytics wise.

Yeah - Ron Yary.

@mld-woody said:

I was saying people have been harping on that, and are upset because the Browns are shedding their core guys -- all young, except Mack.

@tour2ma said:

Sign Sanu to $45 million