@jiggins7919 said:

There isn't any value so I think they will see how he does.

@wargograw said:

Expect much raging but I see it coming.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

For 2015 I'd agree with that percentage in PassPro, but much lower number for us running last season. Someone almost always seemed to fail 1-on-1. Maybe 25% of the time it was a failed passoff in a ZBS flow.

Of the 75% fail rate running probably 40% was attributable to the OL, 20% TE(s) and 15% FB... which considering how little we used a FB is quite high.

Have I mentioned we need a FB recently?

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

It's all about consistency on the OL. OL aren't dime a dozen, but you don't need five first round guys across the board. You need five guys that can play together. That's all there is to it.

I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

But usually that also requires a good Center.

WSS

@wargograw said:

It's all about consistency on the OL. OL aren't dime a dozen, but you don't need five first round guys across the board. You need five guys that can play together. That's all there is to it.

I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

Do any of you guys have a wide receiver in mind? Pass rusher?

@darren15 said:

We lost the best players that got us to 3-13 and kept the rest

If that's the best we have, that's sad.

Maybe we need a better best? Or maybe we're overvaluing guys just because we're so desperate for success that we'll cling on to anything that only halfway stinks like shit.

@logicisforsquares said:

Not the point- on a 1-53 importance\value\performance scale, Oh, I'll put Joe Thomas at #1. Most of the guys who walked would be in our top 10. Like if Bademosi or Carder left, do you think I'd be pissed? If you want my 0.02 on the matter- the FO has learned nothing from the last misadventure when they let guys like Ward, Sheard, and Skrine walk.

@osiris said:

I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.

Yup, like if we can get a conditional seventh, and someone takes Manziel's salary off our hands, he's worth keeping around a few extra days? MK gossip is saying a few teams have minor interest. We have tons of cap room- and IMHO, making a statement about no more BS is more important that a couple million. Sushi the bean-counter is starting to emerge from the shadows.

@mike-h said:

Also one of the few starters on the team all of the past three years. Gip's issue was in the past two seasons he missed half of a season due to injury.

@mike-h said:

The Browns offering 7.5$ million and pulling the offer does not equate to Schwartz signing for less by getting $6 million. He wasn't choosing between 7.5 and 6

Bingo!

@mike-h said:

agree there. But we don't know how much guaranteed and how much total Browns offered

... or the duration, but hard for me to believe we weren't in the 5-yr/50% ballpark...

@westside-steve said:

There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately.

Correct... the "profit" comes if he is suspended by the league.

@osiris said:

I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.

I guess that's possible but frankly Hue Jackson is coming from the Cincinnati Bengals, a system not particularly known for squeaky clean standards.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.

It's actually more punishment to let him sit and wait while other teams take care of their quarterback needs and make him even less valuable to them.

Pretty much the same with Dwayne Bowe. We aren't going to have to worry about the roster spot for a while.

WSS

1) The Browns offensive line is being retooled for a more power run game. Perhaps that's why they tendered Pazstor and are letting Mack and Schwartz go. In order to improve the run game, we're going to sacrifice pass blocking but that doesn't matter so much because...

2) ...we're going to draft Jared Goff. Goff demonstrated poise and toughness behind a crappy offensive line. He's going to release the ball quickly, in just over two seconds, because that's what Hue Jackson is going to coach him to do. Andy Dalton improved his time-to-pass under Jackson from ~2.6 to ~2.2 seconds. When a QB releases that quickly, there is a lot less pressure on the offensive line to pass block.

So for now, I'm going to hold back on knee-jerk reactions that the sky is falling in Berea. We'll see if my guess as to the 'plan' based on what the Browns do between now and the draft. As for the biggest dissappointment:

1) Why the hell didn't they cut Manziel at 4pm on Wednesday after saying that his 'roster status would be made clear' on March 9th? The rumor is they hope to get some conditional late round pick. What that tells me is that they value a seventh round pick they MIGHT get over their integrity. I've said all along this team's biggest problem is in the culture, and not cutting Manziel makes me thing they still don't get that.

2) And why is Dwayne Bowe still on the roster? Do they think they're going to be able resurrect his career? C'mon.

@hoorta said:

The Ghoolie theory "offensive line are dime a dozen" is apparently going to be put to the test.....

Yeah, the supply is not quite that high, but I think OL replaceability is higher than people think.

@hoorta said:

OK, his agent was. If it was all about $$$ Schwartz should fire his agent for poor negotiating.....

@mike-h said:

OK, his agent was. If it was all about $$$ Schwartz should fire his agent for poor negotiating.....

@mudfly said:

I was led to believe the same....and thats what local reporters have been reporting all day.....could be speculation, but that was the reason given for pulling his offr/////because we offered the highest price, then he "supposedly" wanted to go back and negotiate more with anoher team.....and that prompted the Browns to pull the offer so they wouldnt be "used" for his negotiations elsewhere....

heresay, I know.....bt I believe it was a quality leak to local reporters.....

@wargograw said:

The Ghoolie theory "offensive line are dime a dozen" is apparently going to be put to the test.....

@wargograw said:

If we are planning on a couple of bad seasons and really starting from scratch then I actually would endorse the Ghoolie plan re: Joe Thomas. Please don't stone me.

Honestly, it wouldn't be bad if that is their intended goal. I wouldn't be shocked to see it on draft day. Farmer tried it before the deadline with the Broncos.