@clevfan4life said:

I would have said that the detention center @ GITMO was going to be shut down relatively soon, but with president Trump it seems awfully unlikely.

The control of the land we'll never give up - especially to the Castro government. It's not illegal that we're there due to their agreement - the Castro's just don't like the agreement ofc.

As far as strategic purpose of gitmo outside of the detention center I'm not sure, I think the latest answer is it helps with the "war on drugs." Maybe it'll be helpful in the future when Hillary starts world war 3.

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"sigh"

@calfoxwc said:

I really wish somebody would teach Cleve and Woody how to

research on the net.

http://time.com/3672066/guantanamo-bay-history/

How does the history of gitmo answer the question why we bother with the place?

@calfoxwc said:

I really wish somebody would teach Cleve and Woody how to

research on the net.

http://time.com/3672066/guantanamo-bay-history/

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

research on the net.

http://time.com/3672066/guantanamo-bay-history/

in his eyes.

There's no way it was a joke. There's been reports of stuff in the local papers.

@calfoxwc said:

I thought everybody knew my stories at least once...?

Happened when we bought our farm. that fall, I was out in the evening, because our friends said they were out

riding their Gator, and saw a hunter. That's very bad. So, I go out there and hang out,

and sure enough, I met a couple of hunters, they were poaching our our neighbor's land, near our property line. I only

saw them just as they shot a deer on his property, in his woods.

I just walked over to meet them...

So, couldn't get hold of the neighbor, they hadn't built their home yet, the same for the game warden, so

I just let it go, and let them take the deer. But did report it later.

So, the next year I was out there, and sure enough, one of those guys was walking along the edge

of our woods, pointing his muzzleloader? into our woods. Much farther, and he'd be pointing it at me.

Then he saw me, before I called out, and went crazy, screaming and yelling, getting angrier and angrier,

until he pointed his gun right at me, I jumped behind a tree, and he starts screaming that he's going to kill

a "deer" right next to my head. So, I call my Wife, she calls the sheriff, and they came out, and fast.

They drove out to the woods, it's getting dark, the guy must have been moving into our woods,

and I heard him quietly say "oh, )(&", The sheriff is out near me and calls out, I call back, and what a relief

if was to meet him.

Well, I knew the pyscho's name from the previous encounter, and he said they would follow up

and it wouldn't happen again. And, he told me if he owned these beautiful woods, he would do exactly

as I was doing. Said about three years ago, a house a mile away, had a slug go through their window.

and, he said that he would -never- be out there without a loaded weapon on him. Said that

as often as two times a week, they would be arresting people on whatever drugs he mentioned.

He said they were out of their minds, and extremely dangerous. Said they would attack like rabid

animals - not even human. Said I should definitely get a ccw license and carry. and that he tells

his friends times are changing, and some changes - well, a CCW license is important - and to

CARRY it, every day. especially being out at night.

Said he has friends who never owned a gun, but they have ccw licenses now.

Well, that's a deputy of the dept, and he was serious. So, I did. Some of our best long-time friends have.

Our neighbor wants to. I've had other friends ask me to show them how to be safe and shoot a gun,

and asked about ccw.

I've been asked by friends to teach their kids gun safety, when all they have is airsoft rifles and pistols.

and have gotten some hugs on how differently they handle them, and how they've taught their friends.

a couple of times a friend asked me to go with him to the city train station - not in a good part of town.

At 1:30 am... it's the only time his Wife could catch it. Deserted station. Not my cup of tea, and after

we picked her up at 3 AM a few weeks later, I was joking around trying to convince them to take a stage coach in the

middle of the day, or fly, before we had to do that again......

My initial reaction to your story was to call "bullshit"; however, knowing the effects that some drugs have on people, such as PCP and flakka, I can't pooh pooh your story outright. So, I'll go ahead and call this myth "plausible ".

forcing people to redefine a long standing moral and societal, spiritual institution deprives people

of their liberty and pursuit of happiness.

giving gays the right to force them to lose those rights is just wrong.

@pumpkin-eater said:

I'm on board with that stance, antagonistic wording aside If you're a religious institution that disavows homosexuality (rightly or wrongly) then I don't see why you should be forced to perform a ceremony for a gay couple any more than you'd expect a jewish deli to serve you a bacon sandwich.

Gooo onnnnn.....?

Woody asked the gay "marriage"/Constitution question in another thread, and

I posted about the flakka drug and zombies in florida, but the link was from the

previous.

But say, it makes those on the anti-side look principled, standing based on

Biblical verses and morality. You never did try the two magnets thing, did you?

Try it. Then you'll understand.

Does anybody think I need to start the thread all over again, with the

CORRECT LINK ?

it's happened more than once - before, I thought I just went too fast again....

my bad.

kept the previous link to a question by Woody.

Sorry about that.

Corrected it above, and here's a few more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3500937/Horror-movie-style-scenes-people-slump-stupefied-state-Tampa-spice-drug-use-spirals-control.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270290/The-scary-new-drug-called-flakka-makes-people-jumpo-balconies-claim-God-sale-just-15-Australia.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack

http://crimefeed.com/2015/04/flakka-coming-five-facts-lethal-designer-drug-taking-florida/

@clevfan4life said:

You never know when one of them fag types might creep up on you and try to rape you. Obviously, all gay men are instantly attracted to you by virtue of you being a man. As such, you'll need a weapon to defend yourself with.

Happened when we bought our farm. that fall, I was out in the evening, because our friends said they were out

riding their Gator, and saw a hunter. That's very bad. So, I go out there and hang out,

and sure enough, I met a couple of hunters, they were poaching our our neighbor's land, near our property line. I only

saw them just as they shot a deer on his property, in his woods.

I just walked over to meet them...

So, couldn't get hold of the neighbor, they hadn't built their home yet, the same for the game warden, so

I just let it go, and let them take the deer. But did report it later.

So, the next year I was out there, and sure enough, one of those guys was walking along the edge

of our woods, pointing his muzzleloader? into our woods. Much farther, and he'd be pointing it at me.

Then he saw me, before I called out, and went crazy, screaming and yelling, getting angrier and angrier,

until he pointed his gun right at me, I jumped behind a tree, and he starts screaming that he's going to kill

a "deer" right next to my head. So, I call my Wife, she calls the sheriff, and they came out, and fast.

They drove out to the woods, it's getting dark, the guy must have been moving into our woods,

and I heard him quietly say "oh, )(&", The sheriff is out near me and calls out, I call back, and what a relief

if was to meet him.

Well, I knew the pyscho's name from the previous encounter, and he said they would follow up

and it wouldn't happen again. And, he told me if he owned these beautiful woods, he would do exactly

as I was doing. Said about three years ago, a house a mile away, had a slug go through their window.

and, he said that he would -never- be out there without a loaded weapon on him. Said that

as often as two times a week, they would be arresting people on whatever drugs he mentioned.

He said they were out of their minds, and extremely dangerous. Said they would attack like rabid

animals - not even human. Said I should definitely get a ccw license and carry. and that he tells

his friends times are changing, and some changes - well, a CCW license is important - and to

CARRY it, every day. especially being out at night.

Said he has friends who never owned a gun, but they have ccw licenses now.

Well, that's a deputy of the dept, and he was serious. So, I did. Some of our best long-time friends have.

Our neighbor wants to. I've had other friends ask me to show them how to be safe and shoot a gun,

and asked about ccw.

I've been asked by friends to teach their kids gun safety, when all they have is airsoft rifles and pistols.

and have gotten some hugs on how differently they handle them, and how they've taught their friends.

a couple of times a friend asked me to go with him to the city train station - not in a good part of town.

At 1:30 am... it's the only time his Wife could catch it. Deserted station. Not my cup of tea, and after

we picked her up at 3 AM a few weeks later, I was joking around trying to convince them to take a stage coach in the

middle of the day, or fly, before we had to do that again......

But I am taking the CCW course this Saturday and getting the license next month.

I understand the "leave it up to the states" so all homophobic people can hide away in their safe space where they don't have to see two dudes holding hands - but getting married affects things at the federal level (like tax filing status), so I think it makes more sense to just support the SCOTUS decision because it doesn't affect anybody except gay people anyway,

Honestly the people so worked up about gay marriage would probably enjoy life more and add a few years to their life expectancy if they'd just stop worrying about it.

@calfoxwc said:

1) I feel like that last line is some sort of cruel cliff hanger. What sheriff? what did he tell you? You can't leave us hanging with that morsel of a cool story, tell us moar bro.

2) what on earth does an article about gay marriage have to do with CCW's?