@poeticg said:

Only way we're getting 3 picks in the top 10 is using the rest of our draft this year, next year and probably the year after that.

What if we could get Ramsey, Bosa and Elliot/Treadwell? Would you be okay with that being our draft? Of course we would have a couple of compensatory picks that we would have to use as well... I've landed some solid guys with those picks...

@mld-woody said:

I might take him for all that. Maybe. But there are others I would want more.

@the-gipper said:

Antoine Winfield was a better pass defender than Woodson. But he was a strict cover CB. Woodson played more like a safety.

My generational comment refers to his entire career as a football player. There probably were CBs that could cover better than him, but he was the complete package. Maybe they could cover better, but he was a better defensive player.

If Ramsey can provide all of that, over that long of a career, with the leadership and game changing ability Woodson had (and they don't see a franchise QB), I say you have to take him.

@mld-woody said:

Antoine Winfield was a better pass defender than Woodson. But he was a strict cover CB. Woodson played more like a safety.

@tour2ma said:

@tour2ma said:

I stopped using draft scout a couple years ago.

@wargograw said:

I don't even know how to respond to this.

He is closer to Woodson. But even then (trying not to be too much of a homer) Woodson is a generational player. If they think Ramsey is too, we take him.

@wargograw said:

Other than a couple Buckeyes and BAMA players, I can't remember many other players that were hot topics throughout the last college season. Foremost among the others though would have to be the LSU RB, Fournette.

@the-gipper said:

That happens a lot this time of year.....even more so when it comes to QBs.

Where do all the other pundits rank Joseph?

... or at least one QB...

DraftScout has Joseph ranked around the 4th Strong Safety and a 2nd-ish round pick.

@tour2ma said:

I sit around from 8 AM-1 AM on college football Saturday's. Every single week. I don't miss a big game. Ramsey was certainly a star, but not to the degree that they've been talking him up lately. Not even close IMO.

@wargograw said:

Based on what I heard actually watching college football last year, that honestly seems accurate to me, Tour.

What does that mean?

Ramsey is.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2071515/jalen-ramsey

"Uses his length exceptionally to press, get his hands on the ball, wrap tackle and shed blocks. Effective dip and bend as an edge blitzer. Extensive special teams experience as a gunner, playing on both kickoff and punt coverages. Playmaker with the ball in his hands, averaging 23.4 yards per return (5/117/2) on turnovers."

@calfoxwc said:

The other player is.... Deion Sanders. I have seen a write-up on Ramsey that compared him to Charles Woodson.

Woodson in his FS days?

Riddick mentioned Deion as he'd heard some compare Ramsey to Sanders. He scoffed at the notion saying Deion was so physically talented with such natural technique that he could fall out of bed and cover the entire route tree of the NL's best on Day 1.

about the same size.

The other player back in the day, was very close to being the same height. Ramsey is

almost 10 lbs heavier.

The back in time cb was outstanding athletically. Ran a 4.21. Probably didn't have to have outstanding

technique in college.

Ramsey "only" ran a 4.45. The other player is.... Deion Sanders. I have seen a write-up on Ramsey that

compared him to Charles Woodson.

@tour2ma said:

I saw Hargreaves get beat repeatedly in UF's bowl game against Michigan. I'm not taking him early.

Riddick bases his boards upon game tape plays made, not athleticism. Went as far as saying that Ramsey's athleticism worked against him at FSU as he did not need to learn his craft. Sounded eerily Gilbert-esque.

Here are his top five DBs of 2016:

5. Hargreaves (CB) FL

4. Ramsey (CB/FS) FSU

3. Apple (CB) OSU

2. Jackson III (CB) UH

1. Karl Joseph (SS) WVU

I think it's safe to say that placing Joseph at #1 is an even bigger surprise than ranking Ramsey at 4. But Riddick called Joseph a thumper that is made for any team that wants to toughen up its defense.

@jiggins7919 said:

The really sad thing to me is that our team has so many holes, that one draft and one year of free agency isn't enough to make us competitive. Obviously anything can happen, but when you look at the talent on our team, it doesn't look good.

Maybe that would be a good thread to start? "The things it would take for our team to be competitive."

Short thread... "Vastly improved player evaluation and time."

Astonished you'd entertain the thought that this was potentially a one-year turnaround...