@tour2ma said:

They traded a first round pick for Palmer when Campbell got hurt.

Palmer had been holding out in Cincy and Dalton was doing well as a rookie.

Palmer was Hue's boy from USC and Cincy.

But they were carrying three QBs all season because they had a rookie project named Terrelle Pryor

Cambell/Boller/Pryor - Palmer/Boller/Pryor

Zombo

in the mean time, Dansby to Bengals.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Sort of.... I had it backwards thinking Campbell replaced an injured Palmer...

Campbell did start the season, but in Game 6 vs. us, he was hurt (broken collarbone) and Boller came in in relief. Boller then started Game 7 vs. KC, but stunk and was pulled for Palmer who started the rest of the season.

The bungholes usually have a bigger window of opportunity TimeWise.

Campbell, another guy off the Redskins scrap heap, got the hook before the end of the 8 and 8 season didn't he?

WSS

• Patrick Ramsey (WSH)? Fail...
• Carson Palmer? Never coached him in Cinci; had one of his poorer seasons under Hue in Oak.
• Joey Harrington (ATL)? Damaged goods that he coaxed a journeyman season out of...
• Jason Campbell (OAK)? OC'd him to a decent journeyman year, before HC'ing him to a similar one in relief of the injured Palmer.

Looks to me like good work with good QBs on good teams that needed game managers. Maybe that's good enough?

@gumby73 said:

Mostly a pending opinion till we start getting a full picture of this "building thru draft with analytics" on 4-28-16. We see where all the needs are. I would think they would also involve possible FA's we may lose after next season. But one thing clearly that has not changed. Haslem & Sashi are still sitting on a pile of their cash called a 45M cap that most teams use to sprinkle in a few FA's to cover their holes before draft that they don't see filling thru draft. Sounding more like a analytic of cut players from other rosters coming in is their plan. Not a good sign yet of wanting to turn this franchise in the right direction yet, if ownership only see's it as a profit for them only.. Still time to let it play out.

So far it sounds to me like cutting the payroll to the Bone and understanding that the owner keeps the portion of the salary cap he doesn't spend after the league minimum at least makes me stop and think for a second about it. That's been Mike Browns Mo down in Cincinnati.

And speaking of Analytics somebody on here said hey everybody in the league is using it! Well if that's true there goes our advantage if it's actually for real. The bronze sword was only an advantage until everybody had bronze swords.

On the bright side a whole bunch of rookies maturing at the same time could be a great thing. So I have not given up hope.

So what's your guess? Blue Chip quarterback at number two? Or bum in the third or fourth? round?

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Mostly a pending opinion till we start getting a full picture of this "building thru draft with analytics" on 4-28-16. We see where all the needs are. I would think they would also involve possible FA's we may lose after next season. But one thing clearly that has not changed. Haslem & Sashi are still sitting on a pile of their cash called a 45M cap that most teams use to sprinkle in a few FA's to cover their holes before draft that they don't see filling thru draft. Sounding more like a analytic of cut players from other rosters coming in is their plan. Not a good sign yet of wanting to turn this franchise in the right direction yet, if ownership only see's it as a profit for them only.. Still time to let it play out.

@tour2ma said:

Recycling an old pick-up line?

Paraphrasing. 40 years and a hundred pounds ago as the lead singer in a rock and roll band it was show me AND blow me.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

My new motto: show me or blow me.

Recycling an old pick-up line?

@gumby73 said:

Putting analytics aside Hue somehow won 8 games in Oakland with Jason Campbell & Terrell Pryor at QB with not much talent anywhere else. Fast Forward to Dalton that I watched live when we beat them in 2013. Since then Dalton has done nothing but get better at the QB position & thought I'd never say it but even AJ McCarron almost survived a playoff game with a win. Analytics aside Hue gives us the best shot in 20 years to solidify the QB position..

Fair enough. Even though Jason Campbell was a first-round draft pick. So? My point is that I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about analytics in professional football.

Not to mention that his success has come from building a team and not from a stellar quarterback.

@westside-steve said:

Putting analytics aside Hue somehow won 8 games in Oakland with Jason Campbell & Terrell Pryor at QB with not much talent anywhere else. Fast Forward to Dalton that I watched live when we beat them in 2013. Since then Dalton has done nothing but get better at the QB position & thought I'd never say it but even AJ McCarron almost survived a playoff game with a win. Analytics aside Hue gives us the best shot in 20 years to solidify the QB position..

@the-gipper said:

ain't mean nothin, he knows the weakness's of all our guys. He knows stuff like "hey this guy likes to use this pass rush move in this situation". I mean it's probably stuff people can watch by poring over film anyway.....but why bother when you can bring in their captain right?

@unsympathetic said:

So Hue's ingame coaching choices have zero to do with an analysis of part of the process to determine the players on the roster? Good to know!

If you'd bother to educate yourself on what actually is happening, you'd find that "analytics" is not making any decisions.. Hue, Sashi, and the rest sit in a room and talk every single thing out.

But keep believing whatever makes you happy!

But you keep on believing whatever nonsense you're spewing.

@canton-dawg said:

So Hue's ingame coaching choices have zero to do with an analysis of part of the process to determine the players on the roster? Good to know!

If you'd bother to educate yourself on what actually is happening, you'd find that "analytics" is not making any decisions.. Hue, Sashi, and the rest sit in a room and talk every single thing out.

But keep believing whatever makes you happy!

@unsympathetic said:

Whose definition of "it" are you using? Yours - or Hue's?

Hint: They're not equal.

This is, in fact, the crux of the issue. By remaining non-specific, you can always assert that they "never showed you."

"It" in this particular case would be Analytics in professional football. Didn't realize it was so unclear.

I could be wrong, I hope I am.

WSS

@unsympathetic said:

Whose definition of "it" are you using? Yours - or Hue's?

Hint: They're not equal.

This is, in fact, the crux of the issue. By remaining non-specific, you can always assert that they "never showed you."

@westside-steve said:

Whose definition of "it" are you using? Yours - or Hue's?

Hint: They're not equal.

This is, in fact, the crux of the issue. By remaining non-specific, you can always assert that they "never showed you."

@unsympathetic said:

Hue loves it.

But hey, keep laughing at things you choose not to understand.

Personally I'm going to keep laughing until somebody prove that it works. My new motto: show me or blow me.

WSS

@browns52 said:

Hue loves it.

But hey, keep laughing at things you choose not to understand.

@clevfan4life said:

Except though, I believe Dansby never played in Ray Horton's defense. So that would be a superfluous move.

@the-gipper said:

das right, we got the analytics that will get us there...no problemo.....heheheheeee...