@texasag1969 said:

Still a difference between asking about staying for "a QB" in a single question and "for Goff" and "for Wentz" in two separate questions. Where I cannot say stay for "a QB", I would say stay for my QB.

It's like saying "70% of the country does not like the direction we are headed in" when 35% thinks we're too conservative and 35% thinks we're too liberal.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/04/should_the_cleveland_browns_ha.html

The two YES alternatives combined lead the two combined NO alternatives almost 4 to 1.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

This is what I've been telling most of my friends as the "resident Browns fan". Normally I'd hate this trade because it means starting the same boring ass over the hill QB play below average and win 4-5 games. This year is so much different because RG3 is a boom or bust plan. If he gets back to rookie form and stays healthy, we might have stolen a franchise guy who is still has many prime years. If he perhaps more likely goes down in flames and gets hurt, we suck ass and have a great shot with two first round picks to land a guy like Watson. It's MUCH more of an exciting QB proposition than the shit we've dealt with in "bridge" years.

If RG3 wins...hell yes. We have a 26 year old former first round pick at QB. It's Drew Brees in NO all over again.

If RG3 loses...hell yes. We have two first round picks, one of which is likely quite high, in a draft that has Deshaun Watson - a QB that is likely a better prospect than any of the QB's for the last two-three years.

Once the "losing Wentz" shellshock wore off, this trade made a crazy amount of sense.

@htownbrown said:

Nope, we'll trade one of them, and take Watson.

@tour2ma said:

Somehow I missed yesterday that the final #2 in the deal was a 2018 and not a 2017...

Took some of the shine off the deal for me, but it's still ammo if we ever need to trade up for... oh... say... a QB...

Sashi said 2017 didn't come into the equation making the trade- but potentially having two high picks (the negative Nancy in me says Browns top 5 fer sure) means the QOTF is in the works next year- unless Hue has a gem this year he thinks he can develop. Um, Cardale AKA 12 Guage, how did you do on your Wunderlich?

@miktoxic said:

finally a man that stands behind his convictions.

(i'll have my wife PM you if i'm dead before then so.....LOL or )

One Post From the Truth said:

finally a man that stands behind his convictions.

(i'll have my wife PM you if i'm dead before then so.....LOL or )

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Interesting... when I think Wrestler, first player I think of is Jerry Sherk, All American wrestler at OU. That I think primarily of Defenders when it comes to trench players using their hands shows my age.

But John Madden apparently agrees with you...

"I would have all my offensive linemen wrestle if I could." -John Madden - Hall of Fame NFL Coach

Found this site with more names than you'll care to read. http://www.sectiononewrestling.com/documents/nfl_players_wrestled.html

• Of those listed who wrestled to a minimum of a HS, State Championship level and had an appreciable NFL career, the count was 25 OL over 15 DL.
• LBs followed with 7 and RBs (including FBs) with 6... Ray Lewis was a two-time Florida HS Champ.
• There's one LS, one SS (Coy Wire), and one WR (Roddy White).
• One QB (Steve Everett) was culled due to no achievement listed. Bo Jackson was a RB cull.

Wrestlers in NFL.txt

FO isn't keen on both QB's turning into or showing that they are franchise, build around this QB, kind of QB. That is the FO's right to be able to make that decsion, we have to trust in that.

RG3 has some experience, and still might show glimpses of his rookie year. But if he doesn't, we don't have a QB that is getting killed behind a potentially mediocre OL.

We have a ton of holes to fill. WE can fill those hopefully with the draft.

It's not written in stone yet. Still much can happen with that #8 pick.

Isn't this the old Belichick tactic of getting as many pics as possible? Seems to work for him.

As for getting the picks right, that is a must. I think the FO recognizes that and that is one reason we saw the exodus of many of the scouts.

I think the FO realizes the pressure on them to get this draft right from the get go! The more picks, the better the chance to nail 3 or 4 good picks. We do realize that some will blow, that happens to all teams, but the more picks we have, the better, I believe, that the odds will be on our side.

@calfoxwc said:

I think Jerry Jones is going to draft Elliot, but anything can happen.

@miktoxic said:

He may be the next QB of YOUR Cleveland Browns............(which means your second sentence will likely come true )

have an intelligent criteria for the type of players they want to have on the team.

So, more players = more benefit.

Makes me wonder if Miami will now trade up to 8 for Elliot, and what

that trade would get the Browns... it would be great to have another

2nd round pick in this draft....

VesnaKociper said:

Hey dick fuck, How do you rebuild a 3 - 13 team? Moronic post.

Isn't a 3-13 team by definition in rebuild?

@tour2ma said:

It's quite the opposite, actually. Most successful OL, at any level, have a background in wrestling...probably more than DL.

There's much more body control needed for an OL than a DL. A DL can get away with being a raw athlete, either in brute strength or sheer speed. Keeping your center, maintaining leverage, hand-fighting, core strength - all tenets of strong offensive line play as well as wrestling.

Think of it this way....DL are paid to get off of OL. OL are paid to stay on top of DL.

Now, I'm not saying that DL don't benefit from being wrestlers. But if I were to take a wrestler and transition him to football, the first place I'd throw him is on the OL. It'd be a much more natural transition and the skillset would likely transfer better there.

@ballpeen said:

I had to abstain as well since both QBs were lumped together...

@ballpeen said:

No man...that is the great part of the deal. If we have to send off our 1st the following year to land Watson(QB), we then have two second rounders in that draft. We don't miss much at all.

Problem is the NPV (net present value)... A 2nd two-years removed is the equivalent of a 4th today.

@tour2ma said:

No man...that is the great part of the deal. If we have to send off our 1st the following year to land Watson(QB), we then have two second rounders in that draft. We don't miss much at all.

I like the trade,

Puts us in good shape this year and allows us to control the top of the draft next year. The 2nd rounder the following year is the gem. That really gives us the ability to take any QB we might want, and there are a couple of QBs who I think rate higher then the guys on the board this year.

Took some of the shine off the deal for me, but it's still ammo if we ever need to trade up for... oh... say... a QB...

@texasag1969 said:

I'll take Wentz and Goff as my "longshots"...

@gumby73 said:

When I read "wrestler" I think DT not OL. Maybe he's on the wrong side of the ball...

Agree on all other points...

@wargograw said:

I saw the tape against OSU and I saw a lazy player. Like dominance was there for the taking and he just didn't have the mean streak to maul guys. If he can get that, I like him

Even in the 2nd half? I saw a pronounced difference in this case like the coaches ripped him one at halftime...

@mike-h said:

Safe to say Browns do not like Goff after seeing Rams sell the farm for Wentz.

Pressing your bet?

@d-bone said:

Why stop there? With only a handful of players in the mix for 3 thru 7, essentially we've picking first...

@texasag1969 said:

I only know one thing for sure. I am now fan of the week for anyone the Eagles play.

Has to work better for us that rooting against Buffalo in 2014...