@unsympathetic said:

You apparently neither heard nor understood...

The MIT Prof never mentioned volume and there is a reason.

When you ratio temperature states of an ideal gas to predict the pressure of the second state using the following equation, P₂ = P₁ * (T₂/T₁), then the assumption that the volume is unchanged is inherent. This the exact equation shown in the video.

I pray you are not a ChemE...

Leather is elastic. Anyone who has ever worn a pair of leather shoes and felt them loosen as they are warmed by their feet know this.

While your interest in science is laudable, you should leave its application to professionals.

And FYI... gases are not ideal. That is why PV = znRT was created where z varies from gas to gas based upon each ones non-ideality.

@calfoxwc said:

I haven't read what the equipment manager(s) testified to, but if there were no evidence,

there wouldn't be this reinstatement on appeal.

The appeal was just on the grounds that Goodell has the power to make this call. Not that Brady was guilty

@unsympathetic said:

Goodell is wrong just like every person on this thread who decided all the accusations must be true because you dont like Brady.

I dont like Brady and I never will Im an Ohio State fan and a Browns fan.

However, science is objectively correct REGARDLESS of whether you like it or not.. even if it doesnt actually work the way youve decided it should work!

Carnegie Mellon study

Collating all the evidence and links

1) Ideal Gas Law [Physics 101] shows Goodell is objectively wrong.

2) Watch the MIT professor - you just might learn something. When you're about to object - remember this: He's right, you're wrong.

Whose balls actually did not match the Ideal Gas Law? The COLTS - not the Pats.

Deal with it.

This man gets it

Keep in mind that the Wells report which you're referencing [the "source" for those text messages] is 100% wrong on the science.. but you're now taking their word that they're completely trustworthy regarding text messages? What if their mastery of texts is just as complete as their mastery of science?

I do not buy it, period. It's a ratf*ck - more politics than science.

highly inflated balls bounce highly.

Less inflated balls bounce lower. Or lesser. Less bounce, easier to catch.

The locker room attendants had the balls

From the link:

"The report states that just prior to the AFC championship game, the game officials could not locate the Patriots' game balls, noting that "It was the first time in [referee Walt] Anderson's nineteen years as an NFL official that he could not locate the game balls at the start of a game."

According to videotape evidence, McNally had removed the two bags of footballs and taken them to a bathroom where he locked the door and remained for "approximately one minute and forty seconds."

The league's investigation uncovered a number of text messages between McNally and Jastremski that discussed Brady's displeasure with the game balls and actions to be taken.

According to the report, in one particularly damning text message exchange between McNally and Jastremski, McNally refers to himself as "the deflator."

"Nice dude....jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator."

Later, the two exchanged texts indicating that Brady had complained about the condition of the footballs during a late-regular season game against the New York Jets. Following that game, Jastremski sent a text messages to McNally stating that he "can't wait to give you your needle this week" and "I have a big needle for u this week," presumably referencing a needle to deflate the footballs.

Jastremski called the text messages "joking around."

@tour2ma said:

Incorrect.

If anyone is still reading this, just stop with the replies and

You are going to learn things.. since you clearly didn't look at it the last time I posted it.

@unsympathetic said:

None of that happened, Cal.

Pats had neither a heater nor a closet on the field. Pats' balls were kept in a bag OUTDOORS, OPEN TO THE RAIN.

Unfortunately for the haters, the Pats' footballs were EXACTLY what ideal gas law predicts.

The Wells report did not show their data because it was incorrect -- note that the transient analysis in the Wells report had wet and dry balls heating at the same rate, which makes no sense even to type. [ you have to heat the water off the wet ball first... Of course it takes longer to heat a ball that's wet to the same ambient inside temp vs a ball that's dry ]

Then there was the question of the TIME at which the pats' and colts' balls were measured. Guess what: Colts balls were measured second... AFTER THEY HAD TIME TO RISE IN PSI.

There was no deflating - it didn't exist.

1. The other teams and owners being tired of the Patriots attempts to take advantage of loopholes in the rules...or to go beyond the rules....i.e. Their Cheating. This was just the last straw for a lot of the rest of the NFL ownership tolerating the cheating. So the harsh punishment they were doled out were because of their pattern of abuse, and not just this one incident.

2. It is also about the Powers Invested in the Commissioner by the Collective Bargaining agreement to mete out what he deems, in his sole discretion, to be appropriate punishment to transgressors. The court ruled that they will not substitute their judgment for that of the NFL Commissioner. This appellate court said that it is NOT their job to hear the facts of the case de novo. It was their job to determine if the Union, or Brady had the right to challenge his decision. They court held that they do not. Only if there was gross abuse would they have done something.....and they felt that there was no gross abuse in the punishment. They said....IF the Commish determined that there was a violation....they would not second guess his conclusions. They also affirmed his unfettered right to mete out the punishment for these transgressions. And they would not second guess that as well if it were anything short of a lifetime ban or the like.

The courts said: if the union does not like the fact that the Commissioner has these powers...powers THEY granted him in their CBA, their remedy is to not challenge the powers he weilds at this point.....but to renegotiate those powers as part of the future Collective Bargaining agreement.

And you know why this issue isn't all that important to the Union? Because it really only affects a handful of guys. Out of thousands of players who have been in the league since 2006...when a lot of this began , only about 80 people in all that time have come under discipline. And fyi..... most of the players in the league probably agreed with most of the punishment dealt......for domestic abuse/drugs etc. This one incident of discipline for cheating on the rules isn't going to make the union want to go to war over cheaters/abusers/drug users.

The players are interested in their salaries, benefits, retirement, health care...etc. etc. They are not going to go stiff backed because some Ray Rice wifebeater, Adrian Peterson childabuser, Josh Gordon drug user gets what some may think is harsh discipline.

They will let the punishment of these guys ride as long as they get their money and benefits.

@unsympathetic said:

Whose balls actually did not match the Ideal Gas Law? The COLTS - not the Pats.

Close, but since the a football's volume is not fixed there's another variable to consider. So a fudge factor in addition to "z" is required. Probably not significant, but if we're being rigorous...

@calfoxwc said:

Of course the air pressure inside of footballs and tires change a bit with outside temps.

... and their "volume" with altitude.

Just to shut some of these whiners up.

WSS

Pats had neither a heater nor a closet on the field. Pats' balls were kept in a bag OUTDOORS, OPEN TO THE RAIN.

Unfortunately for the haters, the Pats' footballs were EXACTLY what ideal gas law predicts.

The Wells report did not show their data because it was incorrect -- note that the transient analysis in the Wells report had wet and dry balls heating at the same rate, which makes no sense even to type. [ you have to heat the water off the wet ball first... Of course it takes longer to heat a ball that's wet to the same ambient inside temp vs a ball that's dry ]

Then there was the question of the TIME at which the pats' and colts' balls were measured. Guess what: Colts balls were measured second... AFTER THEY HAD TIME TO RISE IN PSI.

There was no deflating - it didn't exist.

high pressured - you let some of the air out -

you had far more grip on the old abandoned dirt mining roads.

I got yer science right here.

Of course the air pressure inside of footballs and tires change a bit with outside temps.

that's why the patriots kept their balls in the locker room. They would be a little deflated when'

they went out on the field. They could have had a heater in a closet, that warmed the footballs up

more, at the right air pressure...so they would deflate a little more out on the field.

I haven't read what the equipment manager(s) testified to, but if there were no evidence,

there wouldn't be this reinstatement on appeal.

I don’t like Brady and I never will – I’m an Ohio State fan and a Browns fan.

However, science is objectively correct REGARDLESS of whether you like it or not.. even if it doesn’t actually work the way you’ve decided it should work!

Carnegie Mellon study

Collating all the evidence and links

1) Ideal Gas Law [Physics 101] shows Goodell is objectively wrong.
2) Watch the MIT professor - you just might learn something. When you're about to object - remember this: He's right, you're wrong.

Whose balls actually did not match the Ideal Gas Law? The COLTS - not the Pats.

Deal with it.

@browns149 said:

Yup... pretty smart for a guy that went to Michigan...

@browns149 said:

Scheduling foresight by Roger....