Eifert was injured all of his second season [middle of game1 dislocated elbow] and his first he saw spot duty behind their TE at the time, Jermaine Gresham.

@the-gipper said:

Well, the CA numbers say they have produce equally throughout the years. Perhaps because Eifert is a skill player and has a certain number of catches/yards/TDs that it seems that he has contributed more, but that one stat says that Mingos 7 sacks and 1 career Int. are the equivalent of what Eifert has done.

In three years he has averaged about 31 catches a year for about 340 yards. I am not defending Mingos contributions as being positive....but Eifert may not be all that and a bag of chips either, all things considered.

@comeonman said:

Well, the CA numbers say they have produce equally throughout the years. Perhaps because Eifert is a skill player and has a certain number of catches/yards/TDs that it seems that he has contributed more, but that one stat says that Mingos 7 sacks and 1 career Int. are the equivalent of what Eifert has done.

In three years he has averaged about 31 catches a year for about 340 yards. I am not defending Mingos contributions as being positive....but Eifert may not be all that and a bag of chips either, all things considered.

@tour2ma said:

Three years and one month. My grade was after these players being in the league for 3 years.

For what its worth, there are actually an number of first rounders from that 2013 draft that have been bigger busts than Barkevious Mingo, including:

Dion Jordon DE Miami

Dee Milliner DB Jets

Jonathan Cooper OG Cards

Datone Jones DE Packers

EJ Manuel QB Bills

DJ Hayden DB Raiders

Tyler Eifert TE Bengals

Matt Elam DB Ravens

@tour2ma said:

So, are you saying that the Ravens deserve their A grade because they filled their needs, but the Browns deserve a C grade because they didn't?

Except...of course, in theory the Browns filled their needs every bit as well or better than the Ravens did.

We needed Receivers....Check...got the Biletnikoff winner

We needed pass rushers....Check...got the best in football, plus another DE and OLB to fill that role

We needed a RT....Check...got Shon Coleman

We needed a safety....Check....got Caldwell, who may work out.

We needed an ILB....Check...Got a couple.

We needed a developmental QB.....Check....got Kessler.

Maybe Kiper thought that there was perhaps someone on his board that could have filled these positions better where they were drafted.....but that is all opinion.

And as the title of this thread says.....we have to wait 3 years hence before we can really tell.

@the-gipper said:

Those three players will be worthy of the place they were drafted.

As for Kiper grades... in part he grades based upon his perception of how well the team filled its needs.

As for the Ravens' 2016 grade... considering the number of picks they started with and the quality of players they landed, especially on Day 2, there is no way I can see how a middling grade is justifiable.

@unsympathetic said:

For Ravens Ricky Wagner, Brandon Williams, Matt Elam had some production.

And as noted, the Browns graded out an F.........no wonder, as this was the Mike Lombardi draft. He brought us Barkevious Mingo.

And his first stint here he brought us the stellar choices of Tommy Vardell, Antonio Langham and Craig Powell.

Whose fucking idea was it to bring him back? (I think actually the NFL foisted him upon the Browns and Jimmy Haslam)

Kiper gave the Ravens and Bengals the top grades of an A that year. (He always gives the Ravens an A). In my regrading those teams got B- and C+ respectively.

The best actual drafts: Green Bay and Detroit, he only gave a B to.

I don't know what the analytical sites may have given in grades for 2013. I wonder if those sites even existed then.

Edit note: actually, I see where that site referenced in the other thread also gave Cinci a Top 5 grade in 2013....but that hasn't really panned out that well. Tyler Eifert and Giovani Bernard have had some decent production...but overall their draft didn't grade out all that well.

@tour2ma said:

Sorry, are you saying that those last 3 will be worth it all....or will become bust outs?

@the-gipper said:

Kiper's most underrated drafts of 2013: Packers, Cowboys, Raiders, Bears

Kiper's most overrated drafts of 2013: Ravens, Browns, Bengals, 49ers, Broncos, Titans.

One Post From the Truth said:

So start 11 QBs on offense?

Actually it's a lesson in reaching for an OT when it's a position of need. I have to see both athleticism and signs of technique to consider an OT in R1.

Can't speak to Fischer, but with Joeckel the former was in question when he came out.

More recently there was everyone's Combine dream-date, Greg Robinson. A whole lot of folks were all over this giant athlete whose technique would be coached up at the next level. Someone here ( ) warned of that danger.

Ditto the above for 2015 wundertackle, Brandon Scherff... who at least came on as an OG... a very pricey, 5th overall OG.

2016? Beware Stanley (technique) and Conklin (athleticism)... Book it!

Tunsil - Decker 2016! Plus a guy named Coleman...

One Post From the Truth said:

Someone's been drinking the ghool-aid.

@gftchris said:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000659379/article/fifthyear-option-tracker-for-2013-firstround-picks

Looking at that first round:

Eric Fisher - yikes

Luke Joeckel - yikes

Dion Jordan - suspended yikes

Lane Johnson - meh

Ziggy Ansah - a hit

Mingo - yikes

Jonathan Cooper - injred & traded yikes

Tavon Austin - not worth trading up 8 spots for

Dee Milliner - yikes

Chance Warmack - titans have not picked up the option

DJ Fluker - injured yikes

DJ Hayden - yikes

Sheldon Richardson - finally, an elite player, at pick 13.

Some other names in there - EJ Manuel, Jarvis Jones Bjorn Werner, Cordarelle Patterson, Matt Elam.

There were a few bright spots, outside of Richardson (who himself is suspended, right?) in DeAndre Hopkins, Kyle Long, Tyler Eifert (finally had a good year), and Travis Frederick. But this has to go down as one of the worst first rounds ever, surely.

Looking at that first round:

Eric Fisher - yikes

Luke Joeckel - yikes

Dion Jordan - suspended yikes

Lane Johnson - meh

Ziggy Ansah - a hit

Mingo - yikes

Jonathan Cooper - injred & traded yikes

Tavon Austin - not worth trading up 8 spots for

Dee Milliner - yikes

Chance Warmack - titans have not picked up the option

DJ Fluker - injured yikes

DJ Hayden - yikes

Sheldon Richardson - finally, an elite player, at pick 13.

Some other names in there - EJ Manuel, Jarvis Jones Bjorn Werner, Cordarelle Patterson, Matt Elam.

There were a few bright spots, outside of Richardson (who himself is suspended, right?) in DeAndre Hopkins, Kyle Long, Tyler Eifert (finally had a good year), and Travis Frederick. But this has to go down as one of the worst first rounds ever, surely.

Seahawks 179

Colts 123

Vikings 113

Dolphins 110

Rams 106

Redskins 106

Panthers 105

Eagles 105

Bengals 99

Texans 88

Bucs 87

Broncos 86

Browns 78

Patriots 75

Bills 74

Ravens 69

Steelers 67

Chiefs 64

Jets 64

Chargers 61

Titans 58

Cardinals 57

Lions 54

Bears 47

Packers 43

Jags 38

Cowboys 38

Giants 36

Falcons 34

Saints 28

Raiders 20

49ers 5

Juxtaposition here....Seahawks with a remarkably good draft, 49ers with perhaps an historically bad draft.

67 players out of that draft had 17 CA pts. alone......more than the Browns entire draft.

Eddi Lacy

Kyle Long

Leveon Bell

Travis Frederick

Ezekial Ansah top producers.

Of course, the irony is that the team that just won the Super Bowl had a bad draft that year. Sylvester Williams and Montee Ball were the best players they took.

Think about the Broncos......they won their SB primarily I believe on free Agents: Peyton Manning, Demarcus Ware, TJ Ward. Vernon Davis, Aqib Talib etc.