VesnaKociper said:

While I don't agree with the tenor of this argument its substance is spot on.

@stillmotion said:

like him or not, ghoolie tells it like it is

He is an internet troll. Wouldn't say he says much of anything worth reading.

and you predict this one will, right out of the blue?

Say, that's really sticking your accordion around your neck out there.

Good luck with that, I think this draft class is terrific - kids who LOVE the game,

and have the higher character to have a work ethic, and not be a rapist, lazy bum,

or alcoholic/drug user sombeitch. They drafted winners, football players.

1) Anyone know what picks were asked?

2) Paxton vs. Kessler: Who ya got?

I'm glad we didn't get Lynch.. If Kessler's not the starter, he's at minimum the backup for many years.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-sign-1st-round-WR-Corey-Coleman-5-other-draft-picks/19322e55-e036-4161-a961-543961122748

VesnaKociper said:

Except, of course they got:

First-round pick Corey Coleman was an All-America, first team Big 12 and the winner of the Biletnikoff Award given to the nation's top receiver.

Coleman led the nation in receiving touchdowns. DL Carl Nassib led the nation in sacks. DL Emmanuel Ogbah was the MVP at Oklahoma State and the Big 12 defensive lineman of the year, linebacker Joe Shobert the MVP at Wisconsin. Nassib was the defensive MVP at Penn State.

Coleman set a school record with 33 receiving touchdowns, Nassib a single season Penn State record with 15.5 sacks, quarterback Cody Kessler a USC record for completion percentage (67.5), WR Jordan Payton a UCLA record for receptions (201) and WR Rashard Higgins set Colorado State records for receptions, receiving yards and receiving touchdowns.

Seventh-round pick Scooby Wright's 2015 season was limited by injury. But in '14 Wright earned All-America and first-team All-Pac-12 honors; he was also the Pac-12 defensive player of the year and won the Nagurski Trophy and Bednarik Award.

NCAA National Championship coach and two time Super Bowl winning coach Jimmy Johnson always said that production in college was the best predictor of production in the NFL.

So, these guys were game changers and play makers in college. But yes, it remains to be seen what they do in the pros.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/18973/browns-14-draft-picks-bring-impressive-list-of-achievements

@poeticg said:

Hope you are right on.

@poeticg said:

I have this awesome prototype I'm working on for a new 'board-game' ... So far it's all been positive feedback. Fingers crossed. Hopefully the Browns and I hit pay dirt this year..

That's cool!

Are you in MIT 11.126x? Just asking because I am and doing some of the same right now... If so, you should shoot me a msg with your screen-name.

@poeticg said:

Ohhhh, haha! Yeah, kinda went all in huh... :)I have this awesome prototype I'm working on for a new 'board-game' ... So far it's all been positive feedback. Fingers crossed. Hopefully the Browns and I hit pay dirt this year..

@calfoxwc said:

that is EXCELLENT ! The Browns drafted with a very smart set of requirements

for the players they would draft, and they held to their criteria right down to the 7th round.

should be awesome to watch it all play out !

I have this awesome prototype I'm working on for a new 'board-game' ... So far it's all been positive feedback. Fingers crossed. Hopefully the Browns and I hit pay dirt this year..

@poeticg said:

lol, I don't know what this means

One Post From the Truth said:

PoG...

Do you have any interest?

lol, I don't know what this means

Do you have any interest?

@gftchris said:

It's lovely to hear positive things, of course. We drafted 6 of their top 45 players on that list, which is nice. But if you go back and look at their 2015 list: http://www.predictionmachine.com/nfl-draft-2015-top-250-overall-williams-mariota-beasley-gordon

We drafted 5 of their top 45 - including Shelton, Erving, Orchard, Johnson, and Ifo. Melvin Gordon was #3

So, I'll take their praise, but with a large pinch of salt.

I'm just going to say that Danny Shelton is a force in the Middle.

Erving is going to play a nasty starting center for us this year.

Orchard should make the sophomore jump and have some success under an NFL Defensive Scheme. He needs playing time.

Duke Johnson is an exciting playmaker who is going to play a large role on offense for us this year.

Ifo unfortunately never got to see the field, so the jury is still out on if he can play. We took a chance and it didn't work out. It's the same chance Dallas is taking now, only they burned a second rounder and we only lost a 7th.

From this list it appears Farmer had a pretty good draft. It's not really about the players, most all of these players are good and can play. It comes down to coaching and putting these guys in the right positions to make plays. And above all, you have to get these guys on the field or it is all for nothing.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

fucking hilarious.

VesnaKociper said:

you are absolutely correct....how the fuck can you even come up these dumb fucking conclusions without seeing them on the field...christ.......i guess there are other idiots on other nfl teams that say the same shit on their boards also....maybe they say its an optimistic outlook...yeah, every yr with this shit stain team its an optimistic outlook...for 17 ys now....and counting....

It's a best initial appraisal guess grade.

Why complain about it? It is what it is, and the graders know it.

VesnaKociper said:

I thought you left..... man up and stick to your word.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Agree....and as we have always said, it really cannot be graded for 3-4 years. I did a whole thread on the grading of the drafts from 3-4 years ago.

Reference that.

@gftchris said:

It's lovely to hear positive things, of course. We drafted 6 of their top 45 players on that list, which is nice. But if you go back and look at their 2015 list: http://www.predictionmachine.com/nfl-draft-2015-top-250-overall-williams-mariota-beasley-gordon

We drafted 5 of their top 45 - including Shelton, Erving, Orchard, Johnson, and Ifo. Melvin Gordon was #3

So, I'll take their praise, but with a large pinch of salt.

... or two...

@hoorta said:

We drafted so tremendously, the prediction is we picked up 1.5 wins. Yippie.

Does putting it as a 50% increase help?

"Opportunity" for the draft class to contribute is part of the equation.