@mld-woody said:

Well you don't have a choice but to like him now. You're tied to the will of your party.

It helps that the Democrat nominee is Hillary Clinton. She makes Trump look like a saint

@calfoxwc said:

actually, the exact opposite is true. Nothin will change until you get a guy in there

with some common sense about gov being too LARGE.

I'm liking Trump a good bit more. Not perfect, but...

Well you don't have a choice but to like him now. You're tied to the will of your party.

with some common sense about gov being too LARGE.

I'm liking Trump a good bit more. Not perfect, but...

@calfoxwc said:

yeah, let's not talk about how the dems had control over the entire Congress...

and just kept spending...

As is evidenced by trumps rise, it appears most republicsns dont beleive jack shit will change either way

and just kept spending...

@mohican said:

In a six month span the US, under the Paul Ryan/Obama budget agreement added another trillion to the national debt. Remember when, at the height of the Iraq adventure we were adding 500 billion in a year and the Democrats were screaming that it was "criminal" (including then Senator Obama)

We add a trillion dollars in debt in six months time, while the IRS is taking in record amount of tax collection money two years in a row.

We have things to fix if we want to keep presenting such a big military.

Or we could trim the military along with other things.....

Thats amazing. It really leads you to wonder what they're doing with it all. It cant be military and entitlements blah blah blah....theres something else going on,

@mohican said:

Sources?

@westside-steve said:

In a six month span the US, under the Paul Ryan/Obama budget agreement added another trillion to the national debt. Remember when, at the height of the Iraq adventure we were adding 500 billion in a year and the Democrats were screaming that it was "criminal" (including then Senator Obama)

We add a trillion dollars in debt in six months time, while the IRS is taking in record amount of tax collection money two years in a row.

We have things to fix if we want to keep presenting such a big military.

Or we could trim the military along with other things.....

@gftchris said:

The point still stands - we invest a lot in Japan and Germany and such, for really nothing and they bend us over in trade.

The US has a lot of problems - old infrastructure, lots of people out of work, lots of people without health care, people who can't afford education. We spend too much on being the world's police, maybe you guys can turn to Russia for some help

@clevfan4life said:

I love how people piss on anything russian until its something that again fits some kind of preconceived narrative.

Russia probably is killing alot of people in syria. Is carpet bombing neighborhoods where theres a few isis giys the right call? It just causes more shit down the road. I frankly would let russia have the middle east. Give em that shitcake. I hate everybody in tjat whole region

That would be ideal. We needed to stop fucking around over there like 30 years ago.

We don't give 3 fucks about it except for any of them having nuclear capability and getting taken over by Jihadists or whatever - Europe cares much more about it since they're across the pond.

The only reason we're fighting Assad (and Russia by proxy) in Syria is because Europe wants the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline to reduce their reliance on Russia.

Russia probably is killing alot of people in syria. Is carpet bombing neighborhoods where theres a few isis giys the right call? It just causes more shit down the road. I frankly would let russia have the middle east. Give em that shitcake. I hate everybody in tjat whole region

@bbedward said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

There's the UK at 2%, and, um, South Korea's the only country I'd called first world on there, and they have their own noisy neighbours to worry about.

Vodka of course is a big separator.

@gftchris said:

It's pretty dumb to compare Isis to Russia, tbh. Russians have a strong nationalist sense and despite being tough/brutal they tend to do what they think is best for their country/people.

If they try to attack the Russian homeland they'll get shut the fuck down, they'll get given free housing, food, and health care from the US and European countries as they plan their attacks on our homeland.

But the fact is there's been far more terrorist attacks in Europe lately and those are the countries using the pussy green environment-friendly warfare. As well as giving them housing and all that stuff.

They need to be willing to help themselves

@westside-steve said:

Think more like Al Jazeera but I get where you are going haha.

@gftchris said:

It's possible to be a world power without always resorting to military interventions.

Always?

I suppose. But as you know I don't like using terms like always or never.

But military superiority is good to have when you need it.

WSS

An interesting video on why America should be the worlds policeman.

@gftchris said:

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I do seem to recall plenty of people saying things like "other countries need to take the lead" and "why should we always be the world police" - now that might be happening, people are still complaining?

Stuart

I actually can agree with other countries taking the lead, and am glad Russia did what it did....but part of my point in the OP was strictly about the kid gloves approach our military is being forced to take evident by the stark contrast in kills between Russia and the U.S.

God forbid Israel takes the lead to you liberals though, you get your panties all knotted up even when they defend themselves.