@2yy4u said:

I'm not so sure. We saw what Matt Ryan did with the the Falcons last year. The Browns play a weak schedule and the Browns O-line is not anything like the 1999 Browns so they wouldn't have to worry about exposing a young Qb to a lot of punishment.

The one thing Ryan had that a Browns QB will not have is the same type of RB behind him. Turner is an absolute Stud.

But I don't think a Quinn trade and a selection of Sanchez or Stafford would make DA the instant starter.

@damajuki said:

Well, thanks for appearing to be honest about your weird obsession with Quinn.

You do realize that there is little man-love for Quinn here right? Most of us have simply said "you drafted the guy in the first round, you have to play him."

Can you seriously point me out a single person who has defended Quinn like you defend DA?

I mean, beyond pointing out the fact that he actually did break his finger? Because if that's an example of "man-love" for Quinn, well, call me guilty and throw me in man-jail.

Strangely, Damajuki, I seem to recall Lumbergh showed up after Derek was the starter, not after Brady Quinn was drafted.

This has nothing to do with Quinn, and everything to do with his desire to fellate DA.

@lumbergh said:

Funny how you continue to bitch about why DA needs to go and the coaches just keep marching him out there with the starters, isn't it?

Really? It's about Quinn then?

Well, thanks for appearing to be honest about your weird obsession with Quinn.

You do realize that there is little man-love for Quinn here right? Most of us have simply said "you drafted the guy in the first round, you have to play him."

Can you seriously point me out a single person who has defended Quinn like you defend DA?

I mean, beyond pointing out the fact that he actually did break his finger? Because if that's an example of "man-love" for Quinn, well, call me guilty and throw me in man-jail.

@jadbf said:

Charlie Frye is a better QB than DA. Some day you'll have to come to grips with that understanding.

Or when they sat him for Brady Quinn last year.

@jadbf said:

Not to defend Lumbergh/someone's puppet, but no, Frye isn't better than DA.

There are better arguments to be made. Focus there.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Odds are pretty fair DA starts somewhere, where we don't know.

I doubt it. Now that we've eaten the biggest laugher of a signing bonus since Ichael-may Ick-vay, Anderception is an affordable NFL back-up.

Well, some has-been coach will try and 'tame that arm' for 5-6 games maybe, but they'll get sick of it, and hand it over to the kid they drafted who actually has an ounce of pedigree.

And 3 years from now, Dexter will be half-way through the back-nine of "The MOOSE" (Scaaccaapoooose's Municipal cabbage patch) and his phone will ring, and some other unfortunate group of football fans will be subjected to the Wagon's blind hard-on. I hope it's Pitshole.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Sorry, Manwaggoner....the reason is that the guys who did do so got shit-canned.

@timugen said:

Funny, isn't it?

The reason is the season hasn't started yet.

Odds are pretty fair DA starts somewhere, where we don't know.

@cmac12 said:

That is not what any trade will be about though. It will be about getting more talent in the organization and trading for value.

You speak in tongues which Luvbergh cannot comprehend.

@lumbergh said:

Well, there is not one single head coach or GM currently in the NFL that has marched him out there with the starters. There is a reason for that.

Funny, isn't it?

That is not what any trade will be about though. It will be about getting more talent in the organization and trading for value.

@lumbergh said:

Funny how you continue to bitch about why DA needs to go and the coaches just keep marching him out there with the starters, isn't it?

I have yet to see this coaching staff march DumbAss out with the starters. And take a long look in the mirror Mr. Kettle when you talk about "irrational man-love" because Mr. Pot is staring back at you.

@damajuki said:

It's not about DA. I wouldn't be here if there wasn't such irrational man-love for what looks like the most over-hyped player in the history of organized football.......Brady "The Lady" Quinn

Funny how you continue to bitch about why DA needs to go and the coaches just keep marching him out there with the starters, isn't it?

@cmac12 said:

Dude, nobody but people within the organization know that. Maybe they DO feel DA is the "answer", WTF really knows but the people inside.

The only thing we can clearly see is:

Brady Quinn has higher perceived value because of the structure of his contract, his age, and his draft status. The browns spent two picks including a first to get him, they would need at least a first for him because he's fresh off the shelf.

DA could be traded for a second round pick.

@cmac12 said:

Not concerned about "the answer" whatever that is. More concerned about quarterback.

If they trade BQ then they feel DA is the quarterback for next season at least.

Someone brings up trade ideas and Lum and D&S come in to back DA AGAIN.

Boy, haven't seen that before.

Don't you guys get bored with it? I mean, I'm yawning just reading about it for the one millionth time.

Most of us have taken the reasonable road and just said "DA has had a chance, now give Quinn the same chance."

But you guys are still talking about '07 like it matters, and '08 like it never happened.

Why do you care so much about Derek Anderson? It's nearly incomprehensible to me that real human beings can care so much about this guy. Please help me comprehend it.

That is my whole point. They are not going to trade DA because BQ is the answer or trade BQ because DA is the answer. They are going to trade to get value and build the team.

If they start BQ they will give him his shot to see if he can be the man, if they trade him I think that they will just plan on getting by with DA until next year when they can draft a franchise QB in a deep QB draft.

Basically what they do with BQ does not mean anything about how they feel about DA, just an opinion but that is what I think. And just so you know I went to Oregon State and I am a season ticket holder so I am not a BQ homer and I hate ND. You just have to be able to look at things without orange colored glasses and see it for what it is. New regime means new plan. New plan means lets build this team the way we want. Like I have said it is not like the Browns are a player away from the super bowl. They need allot of help and the best way to get it is through the draft.

@cmac12 said:

Yeah it is. Mangini is going to start one of them and trade the other.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Funny how you have backed away from your initial supposition.

This is not about DA VS BQ. It is about if the Browns get the right trade offer for one, either or both QBs. The point is BQ is not untouchable. And I will be honest I really think that the management fully plans on winning only 6 games this year. Build the defense and get in some talent. I don't think the Browns will trade BE if he is willing to sign an extension at a reasonable price, otherwise you must trade him or you will get nothing for him.

If you get the rigt offer you trade BQ. You live with DA if you can't trade him for a year and see if he can be coached up and you draft a QB NEXT year. Face it, the organization is not on the verge of turning the corner, with what Savage did the Browns are a few years away.

The new management seems to be trying to build the team for the long haul. Build with defense and OL. You do your best to win but you understand that you can not tear a team apart and rebuild it the right way in one year.

If they get the right offer for BQ then you take it and build the team through the draft. If BE will not sign a reasonable contract you trade him for what you can, you don't want him to just walk away.

We all need to understand it is not like the Browns are just a player away from the super bowl. They have one great lineman a couple of nice young corners and one great OL man. They have a Qb that might or might not be good and another QB that is prolly a one year wonder. They have a star reciever that can't catch the easy one and another reciever that is going to go to jail. They need to unload players that are not untouchable and build through the draft and a few key signings.

Just my opinion, but people need to stop looking at this like it is a BQ or DA question, I am starting to think that the answer might be niether of them is the answer, especially if you can get fair trade value for BQ and/or DA.

@lumbergh said:

But certainly not to be confused with the guy who throws pick 6's to LBs, can't run a 2-minute offense without Hooked-on-Phonics being streamed through his headset, throws 90mph fastballs into the back of the heads of any receiver not at least 20 yds downfield, and thinks throwing into double/triple coverage in the red-zone is OK.

Nope. Certainly not THAT guy.