@stinkhole said:

He played dirty. His fellow players voted him the dirtiest player in the league. I will leave it to their judgment.

But, as I said, while I do think he will get in....he may have to wait a while. Carter waited like 10 years, no?

@stinkhole said:

Wasn't dirty play? "Get your Head on a swivel" was made a term by Hines Wards illegally blindsiding DB's in the head or ear-hole. Queen of illegal screens & picks too. Hell yes I'd take a Ward as a Brown..

@the-gipper said:

The issue with him is his competition. There are a number of other WRs that may be equally deserving that are not in yet and that have been waiting longer. All these WRs have had to wait: Carter, Tim Brown, Reed, Harrison, etc. A couple of others that come to mind are T.O. and Randy Moss.....they will get in over Ward. Also Bruce and Holt will be in competition with him.

His dirty play could even hurt him in the minds of voters.....at least delay his entry.

But it wasn't dirty play. If you're old enough you'll remember tactics like chop blocking, helmet slaps, etc. were all legal before they became illegal.

@stinkhole said:

The issue with him is his competition. There are a number of other WRs that may be equally deserving that are not in yet and that have been waiting longer. All these WRs have had to wait: Carter, Tim Brown, Reed, Harrison, etc. A couple of others that come to mind are T.O. and Randy Moss.....they will get in over Ward. Also Bruce and Holt will be in competition with him.

His dirty play could even hurt him in the minds of voters.....at least delay his entry.

Zombo said:

My wink broke up Johnny and Coleen and sent him spiralling out of control.

I wouldn't want to do that to you, you seem like a decent guy.

And big.

Z

Quick funny story.

My wife and I were in the city (Springfield) and and turned into the dollar store. Now as perfect as I may seem on the outside I'm a terrible driver. I whipped into a Dollar Store and this group of young punks wanted a parking space and I didn't see them wanting the spot before me. They pulled behind me yelling at us. I put the car into park wondering what was going on. I step out of the car and they got a look at me at drove off. My wife smiles and says "I love you honey".

One Post From the Truth said:

Classic stuff! Thatta boy!

You don't have to worry about Stink - he's pretty devoted to Vag. It gets really creepy when they get in the same threads.

All that said, it sounds like your height, weight and body fat got Ghoolie really excited. I knew I should have bought stock in viagra.

I wouldn't want to do that to you, you seem like a decent guy.

And big.

Z

Zombo said:

Dude there's no way she would fuck you ... LOL.

@stinkhole said:

Recall the other night you asking your wife where the fuck she was at 2AM? I was up because I just finished with her.

For you to even joke about sleeping with my wife is laughable. I'm '6 - ''2 and weight 255lbs with a 4% body fat. I'm 50 yrs old too and have a perfect smile. Dude there's no way she would fuck you.

One Post From the Truth said:

At 2:24 in the am? Drink some more Stink Face.

Recall the other night you asking your wife where the fuck she was at 2AM? I was up because I just finished with her.

@the-gipper said:

Here is a list of first time eligible players that will be up for the 2017 HOF Class:

Brian Dawkins DB

Tommie Harris DL

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) WR

Larry Johnson RB

Thomas Jones RB

Olin Kreutz OL

Matt Light OL

Derrick Mason WR

Donovan McNabb QB

Joey Porter LB

Bob Sanders DB

Jeremy Shockey TE

Jason Taylor DE

LaDanian Tomlinson RB

Whines Hard WR

Ricky Williams RB

LDT, to me is the only Nicollete Sheridan in this bunch. The interesting one will be Donovan McNabb.

And besides Warner, here are some other current eligibles who may also be highly considered:

Isaac Bruce

Tori Holt

John Lynch

Terrell Davis.

Morten Anderson

T.O.

Kevin Mawae

Edgerrin James

Faneca

Joe Jacoby

Steve Atwater

Who among these will/should make it?

Hines Ward should.

Has the stats. 2 X Super Bowl winner, 4 X Pro Bowler (3x second team), SB MVP.

What puts him over the top is that no one has ever played the position like he has. Wasn't the prototype WR. Never took a play off, always looking to find someones head to knock off.

The man's records haven't changed since 1982.

I feel he has been selected in now only because he is passed.

@brownsfaninpa said:

Problem is that neither of those guys have even made the Finalist list any time lately. While Clay was one of 108 semifinalists, Klecko didn't even make that.

http://www.profootballhof.com/108-modern-era-nominees-announced-for-class-of-2016/

Brian Dawkins DB

Tommie Harris DL

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) WR

Larry Johnson RB

Thomas Jones RB

Olin Kreutz OL

Matt Light OL

Derrick Mason WR

Donovan McNabb QB

Joey Porter LB

Bob Sanders DB

Jeremy Shockey TE

Jason Taylor DE

LaDanian Tomlinson RB

Whines Hard WR

Ricky Williams RB

LDT, to me is the only Nicollete Sheridan in this bunch. The interesting one will be Donovan McNabb.

And besides Warner, here are some other current eligibles who may also be highly considered:

Isaac Bruce

Tori Holt

John Lynch

Terrell Davis.

Morten Anderson

T.O.

Kevin Mawae

Edgerrin James

Faneca

Joe Jacoby

Steve Atwater

Who among these will/should make it?

Zombo said:

Damn premonitions... swear I have an image of him in a gold blazer giving an inductance speech.

Maybe it was for the Arena HoF...

One Post From the Truth said:

Not in yet...see Zombo's post....but note......Favre and Marvin Harrison should be taken off that list above....as they have been elected...just not inducted.

One Post From the Truth said:

You ask an excellent question. While I have listed the top players in the pfr career production average.....that single stat, though it somewhat tries to be that, is NOT the be all and end all of things. Warner is actually way down on the CA.....because he had a somewhat short career....12 seasons. Compare to like Vinny T.....who had a very long career....and productive in terms of his total numbers...be that CA or completions/yards/TDs etc. But no one, I believe, would put him into the HOF over Warner whose stats are much, much lower than Vinny's.

So, I guess what I am saying is that my original post didn't ask....are these ALL of the players that warrant future HOF consideration.....it is just a specific list of players.....there are others.

If it was the Hall of Numbers, then Kenny Anderson would be in and Joe Namath would be out ... but is the Hall of Fame.

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

Here in order of the CA production average are the Top 30 Football players who are not yet in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I am sure we have done this before....so what. We do it again about once a year. Some of these are not yet eligible...but I include all. Who gets in, who stays out:

1. Peyton Manning

2. Brett Favre

3. Tom Brady

4. Ray Lewis

5. Drew Brees

6. Julius Peppers

7. Terrell Owens

8. Jim Marshall

9. Michael Strahan

10. Randy Moss

11. Marvin Harrison

12. Ken Anderson

13. Jason Taylor

14. Charles Woodson

15. LaDanian Tomlinson

16. Reggie Wayne

17. Kevin Mawae

18. Jeff Saturday

19. Zach Thomas

20. Champ Bailey

21. Ronde Barber

22. Phillip Rivers

23. Brian Urlacher

24. Tony Gonzales

25. Alan Faneca

26. Ben Roethlisberger

27. John Hadl

28. Vinny Testaverde

29. London Fletcher

30. Steve Wisniewski

Who should be in, who should be out?

& looking at PFR, Rothlisberger is a lock to get in when he hangs 'em up. Him and Tomlinson are two guys that could have been Browns, and we passed on both of them in the draft.

Well, there are a whole litany of guys that fit that mold, including Aaron Rodgers...or Joe Montana....or Tom Brady and probably Emmit Smith etc. etc. etc.