@clevfan4life said:

In fairness, there was lot in bb's post to vet.

@westside-steve said:

You folks (Tour) aren't confusing Catholicism with Evangelical Baptists are you?

There's a difference?

@oldbrownsfan said:

Let me start off saying I am not anti Catholic but I am an ex Catholic. I left the church for this reason... that church teachings appeared to be taken either equal or even above what the scriptures teach. On this issue will I believe the words of the Pope or the words of the One who died on the cross...I made the decision to go with what Jesus said. Jesus had many things to say on who would go to heaven and here is just one of many:

I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins. John 8 :24

Fair enough...

Aside: Strikes me as odd, OBF, that in spite of the noise all around us that we have more rational discourses here than we sometimes seem to have in the Football section... odd and refreshing and appreciated.

@jbluhm86 said:

Jesus and Muhammad,

Islam and Christianity:

A Side-by-Side Comparison

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who

disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads

and strike off every fingertip of them."

"Allah"(Quran 8:12)

"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and

kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

Muhammad (Ibn Ishaq 992)

"Love your neighbor and pray for those who persecute you."

Jesus (Matthew 5:44)

Even though many Muslims regard terrorists who kill in the name of Allah as criminals, they cannot deny that Muhammad also killed in the name of Allah. What example of Jesus do Christians emulate which has them confused with terrorists and criminals?

Each year, thousands of Christian homes and churches are torched or bombed by Muslim mobs, and hundreds of Christians, including dozens of priests, pastors, nuns and other church workers are murdered at the hands of Islamic extremists. The so-called justification varies, from charges of apostasy or evangelism, to purported "blasphemy" or " insulting" Islam. Innocent people have even been hacked to death by devout Muslims over cartoons.

Yet, there is little if any violent retaliation from religious Christians to the discrimination, kidnapping, rape, torture, mutilation and murder that is routinely reported from nations with Muslim majorities. Neither is there any significant deadly terrorism in the name of Jesus, as there is in the stated cause of Allah each and every day. Muslim clerics in the West do not fear for their safety as do their Christian counterparts.

If threatening people with eternal damnation is considered distasteful, then Christianity has far less to be ashamed of than Islam, which not only alludes to the terrible fate awaiting unbelievers in nearly every other chapter of the Quran, but includes vivid descriptions of torture at the hands of a psychopathic god.

The two religions contrast sharply even in their positive aspects. The morality of the Quran is amateurish and frustratingly obscure for those trying to compare it with what is contained in the Bible. Most of Islam's holiest book is devoted toward distinguishing and heaping abuse on unbelievers. There are no verses that promote universal love and brotherhood. The few verses that are sometimes held up as examples of tolerance and peace generally require separation from textual and historical context.

The difference between Christianity and Islam starts at the top: Muslims are told that their prophet Muhammad - a slave-owner, sexual glutton, thief and killer - is the most "beautiful pattern of conduct" and "example" for mankind to follow (Quran 33:21), as well as the "exalted standard of character" (Quran 68:4).

Christians are told to emulate Jesus - a pacifist and servant - and "walk, even as he walked" (1 John 2:6). Unlike Muhammad, who ordered military assaults against Christians, for example, Jesus told his followers not to resort to violence and to pray for one's enemies.

These two men could hardly have been more different in how they lived or in what they taught others. Why should we not expect starkly contrasting legacies - from the conduct of their closest companions to the livability of modern-day countries influenced by the predominance of one founder's teachings over the other?

As Wafa Sultan (who describes herself as a Muslim who does not adhere to Islam) puts it: "The problem with Christians is they aren't as good as Jesus. But thank God most Muslims are better than Muhammad."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx

@oldbrownsfan said:

Let me start off saying I am not anti Catholic but I am an ex Catholic. I left the church for this reason... that church teachings appeared to be taken either equal or even above what the scriptures teach. On this issue will I believe the words of the Pope or the words of the One who died on the cross...I made the decision to go with what Jesus said. Jesus had many things to say on who would go to heaven and here is just one of many:

I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins. John 8 :24

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Religion(s) of peace.

@tour2ma said:

Let me start off saying I am not anti Catholic but I am an ex Catholic. I left the church for this reason... that church teachings appeared to be taken either equal or even above what the scriptures teach. On this issue will I believe the words of the Pope or the words of the One who died on the cross...I made the decision to go with what Jesus said. Jesus had many things to say on who would go to heaven and here is just one of many:

I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins. John 8 :24

WSS

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Understood... but not what the Pope said.

Pope Francis says God opens heaven's doors to non-believers who "obey their conscience," shaking a widely-held assumption about Christian beliefs and reinforcing his image as the most progressive pontiff in history.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2015/12/pope_francis_offers_hope_to_fa.html

@tour2ma said:

When I say denying, I mean even as you take your last breath in life.

@tour2ma said:

Not according to the New pope...

Really... I clicked on the Horse Killer one and he got vetted. So where's the scandal?

I don't think bb vetted his post...

Oh boy is ed doing the typical cal now?

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Not according to the New pope...

@clevfan4life said:

I cant click on all of those right now but the megyn kelly one, some guy im assuming is dnc basically said if that was my wife being called a bimbo by trump id knock his randy ass out.....whats the controversy with that one?

Really... I clicked on the Horse Killer one and he got vetted. So where's the scandal?

I don't think bb vetted his post...

@brownskidd said:

Good point, summer is usually reruns, but during election year they usually have some extra stuff to put out there. We'll see how far they dare go being so liberal themselves.

Oh uve never seen them roast wassermsn before? They cant stand her. That impersonation is far from flattering....

@clevfan4life said:

Good point, summer is usually reruns, but during election year they usually have some extra stuff to put out there. We'll see how far they dare go being so liberal themselves.

@brownskidd said:

Hahahaha.. check this out. Gotta love it.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/757579367992086530

Omg that cringy and awesome all rolled up into one. Is SNL new this weekend? I csnt imagine they're not gonna roast debbie.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/757579367992086530

@oldbrownsfan said:

For some reason die hard Clintonites will just 'overlook' this. My liberal friends on facebook all seem to be latching onto how unqualified Trump is and that now we need a seasoned politician with the background that Clinton brings to the table, despite all the shenanigans and baggage that come along with the Clinton's. This election is such a shit-joke of election year. What a shame and embarrassment to the world Washington has become to our country and the world.

@bbedward said:

Seems that way...they sure don't seem to care about offending the Sanders voters. I don't see how this goes over well at all. I read this morning where DWS was booed loudly as she spoke at a breakfast with her own delegates....what struck me was that she was obviously being "jeered and booed" while the MSNBC caption underneath her while speaking read "DWS "cheered" at breakfast speech"...can the media get any more dishonest?

A Clinton always pays their debts.

@westside-steve said:

Back on topic is anybody watching Debbie Wasserman Schultz speech right now? Pretty funny she's getting shouted down, as those on the left are apt to do, and to try to avert it she starts off her speech talking about gun control and the children that were gunned down in Florida. And the railing continued.

WSS

The whole time they were shouting her down during her speech, all I could think of was:

@clevfan4life said:

I thought she was out of the convention?

Nope. Opening and closing speech and before the convention she speaking to another big bunch of DNC regulars.

WSS