@gftchris said:

Well, that won't make any of us forget Gary Collins......but its not a bad number. Good enough for a Pro Bowl appearance.

@the-gipper said:

Seven.

@baconhound said:

Well, Pro Bowl for one year while here. How many TD catches did he have that year?

But, OK, now that he is gone...he can eat shit and die.

@the-gipper said:

13 career TD catches, watch out Antonio Gates

@baconhound said:

Cameron was Pro Bowl talent....if not HOF talent.

@mld-woody said:

Remember when Jordan Cameron was walking into Canton, look how quickly that changed.

"The Cleveland Browns, elevating mediocre talent to superstar status since 99"

@the-gipper said:

Ha!....sadly, there are no stand out players....and, I think, we cut the best one(Dansby).....

So, if healthy, it would have to be Haden, who is the only pro-bowl caliber defender on our roster....

But, my dark horse for best player "this year" is gonna be Orchard.....

@tour2ma said:

Yep. I feel we could be like Jacksonville were last year - a lot of fun to watch on O, capable of putting up a lot of points, but with basically not much on D. A lot of potential that needs to be realised. If Shelton holds the line, Orchard and Ogbah can live up to their college numbers, if Haden and Williams can play at their previously pro bowl level, if Davis/Kirksey works out as a run stuffing/coverage duo, and if poyer/campbell step up in the middle of it all, it could be great. But not all of that will happen. Hopefully two or three of those things happen at least, or it could be a very long year.

What other alternatives are there?

Des "Lost-for-the-Season" Bryant?

Paul "I-had-one-great-year" Kruger?

Better pray the whole is greater than the sum of our parts...

I hope to hell that we don't have a repeat. How far along is the ankle? What kind of shape will he be in? Will he have lingering aspects of the surgery? When will he even be able to practice?

Lord we need this guy. Just take a look at our DB's....ugh. On the plus side, if our team can JUST get a little damn luck, the secondary could be vastly different from what most of us think it will be. Gilbert has the physical tools...can he be reached by a different staff? Is he just a lost cause? If....(and it's a HUGE if), but IF he can truly play and be a competent starting DB, we are much better off than we think.

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Nope. The first time he throws an INT, or they lose a game,

he will be "injured".

The more serious question is, will all ladies around him go unscathed by him til the season is over?

@the-gipper said:

Joe Haden.

@jiggins7919 said:

Exxcept they will be down one star player.

Plus, I asked this elsewhere......does anyone think that BR can last through this season unscathed by injury?

@gftchris said:

Sure.

Who really is the Browns Best defender right now?

Antonio Brown (nobody can cover him)

Joe Thomas (enough said)

La'Veon Bell (hate to say it, but it's true. I know he's got suspension issues, but the guy is very talented)

Josh Gordon (he's in the league, for now, and he's stupidly talented)

I could have gone with multiple Bengals as well, including Eiffert and A.J. Green. In fact, a very solid argument could be made to replace Gordon with Green, but I'm supremely biased, hahaha. It hurt me to put that many Steelers on the list, but it's true. They have star power galore on their offense, and that's pretty obvious.

@the-gipper said:

Drop the Pro Bowl attendees cause the best don't play there anymore? They "so call recover". Pitts defense is gett-able now due to coaching, but have talent. But you better score, cause they are.. Don't forget Ray Malanuga & Cinny added Dansby. Again, Cinny is loaded on defense but could be offensively challenged starting with no H. Jackson..

Actually....I think the AFCN is going to be a weaker division this year. Unlike some who think the AFCN could get as many as 3 teams in, I think we will just get the one.

As noted....I think there is a dearth of talent on defense. Neither Baltimore nor Pittsburgh have the kind of defenses they both had just a few years ago. Cinci's defense is the best....but I can't say that that is a great...or even really good defense. It is a B or B- defense.

The Browns, of course, (as always it seems) are in flux. Injuries to veterans and so many young unproven players.

The offenses in this division are ahead of the defenses.....but defense wins championships.....ask the Broncos.

Barnidge had more touches because he didn't have

a solid wr cast around him, and still had great numbers.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8408/tyler-eifert

RECEIVING

Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM

2015 Cincinnati Bengals 13 52 615 11.8 47.3 31 13 8 0 38 0

2014 Cincinnati Bengals 1 3 37 12.3 37.0 20 0 1 0 2 0

2013 Cincinnati Bengals 15 39 445 11.4 29.7 61 2 5 2 19 0

TOTAL 29 94 1,097 11.7 37.8 61 15 14 2 59 0

Golly, looks like Eifert only maximized what he has for one full season.

that's with more talent around him.

So, the Bengals had more talent around Eifert, and they also had

HUE JACKSON as their offensive coordinator.

Oh, lookie - who is the excellent head coach of the Browns now?

It's just silly to say Eifert was the better TE because of touchdowns.

It's a team game.

Barn maximized what he has for one full season.

Eifert is the better athlete and it showed in a healthy, 2015 season.

Both need to wash, rinse and repeat.

Greatness at other positions creates competition for touches. Barn 79 receptions; Tyler 52.

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So, Eifert stayed healthy, and that eans he's a better athlete?

really now.

Tyler Eifert injury update, recovery timetable and who steps up - Cincy ...

www.cincyjungle.com/.../tyler-eifert-injury-update-recovery-timetable-w...

May 25, 2016 - The Bengals were hit with a bombshell Tuesday when word came out that Tyler Eifert's ankle injury from the Pro Bowl would require surgery.

Tyler Eifert undergoing ankle surgery, expected to undergo 3 month ...

www.cincyjungle.com/.../tyler-eifert-undergoing-ankle-surgery-expected...

May 24, 2016 - The surgery is reportedly on the ankle that Eifert injured in the 2016 Pro Bowl, which was thought to be minor at the time, yet apparently was ...

@mld-woody said:

Eifert a much better blocker too.

If you go by this, these are the Pro Bowlers from last year from the division:

Atkins DT Bengals

Carlos Dunlap DE Bengals

Adam Jones DB Bengals

Elvis Dumerville DE/LB Ravens.

And that is it. Who would be that 5th best guy....if you buy that the Pro Bowlers above make the grade in the top 5:

(if Joe Haden were up to form, I would say him...but he is not up to form)

Burfict?

Weddle?

Once upon a time you might of said Timmons of the Steelers...but now? (hell...you might have said James Harrison) How about Heyward?

Any other defensive standouts in the AFCN? (It actually seems like there is a dearth of real top notch defenders in this division now)

@tour2ma said:

OK, my bad. I see that Eifert did make the Pro Bowl last year as well. So, it is a close call between those two.